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Post by imnts2 on Apr 2, 2012 6:27:54 GMT -6
John. My objective is exactly what I said. I am a bit of a scientist. (you know "empirical" "observable"" repeatable" "measurable" and all that stuff).
I want to know. So before I spend $150 for a good instrument (tachometer/timing light) I would like to know it will work on a GY 6 150 with AC CDI. Then I can reasonably accurately plot the ignition behavior at different rpm's and "know" what different CDI's are doing and reduce "judgment " recommendations to reasonably scientific measure able conclusions.
And of course an 8 hp 150CC engine can be made to put out more power. A lot more. And we do have people who without BS can make a 150 put out twice that power and still be reasonably reliable. But few 150 scoots can safely handle much more power. Honda claims 15.5 out of their 153 2VALVE whisper quiet engine. I used to make .09 Cu in engines fly at near record speeds. I never was quite good enough to set national records. Darn near did with Team Racing " 29 class".
But that was not my question. My question was and still it - will a inductive pick up timing light work on a 150 GY 6 with AC CDI. Do you know? if not I really wish you would not try to hijack my thread. Thank you.
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Post by imnts2 on Apr 1, 2012 15:01:38 GMT -6
I have to ask Jim if he is sure. Have you used one Jim? If you are sure, I will break down and buy one. I did buy a tach that had an inductive pick up to cliip over the spark plug wire but it would not work and was returned.
I want to be able to see what is really happening, not just what some salesman says will happen. As far as I am concerned a lot of "performance" stuff is mostly hype" Smittys really sounded great on an old 6 cylinder chvy but failed to show much on the stop watch.
Again thanks a lot to everyone.
cheers lefty2
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Post by imnts2 on Apr 1, 2012 14:47:54 GMT -6
That used to be a very common tool to assist the tune up of carburetor equipped automobile engines. I used it many times. I also used it to synchronize carburetor linkages until I go flow gauges to measure flow.
I have not done a carb that way since Carburetors largely disappeared from my cars in the early 80's. but I will try to give you some idea Understand, tuning a carburetor or an engine is a bit of an art. The idea is that the best ignition timing at idle will be just a little retarded of highest vacuum (lowest intake manifold pressure and and the best idle mixture will also be a little richer than the highest vacuum. Both of those little's are really very little. But in addition, as you get familiar with the engines you are tuning and your instruments, you will get a sense of the condition of the engine (ring sealing, valves leaking or not adjusted properly , leaking vacuum lines, etc. You can also get a sense of the condition of each of the cylinders by shorting out the plugs one at a time.
Now I suspect a little search on the net will yield a more detailed instruction sheet and a better explanation. If you don't have luck. let us know and I will try some more.
Good idea I think. Frankly, I'll bet the artist would be flattered to let you ply him with food (and/or drink) and tell you all about it.
Thanks for the question
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DC or AC??
by: imnts2 - Apr 1, 2012 8:51:29 GMT -6
Post by imnts2 on Apr 1, 2012 8:51:29 GMT -6
I always was told to look at the small connector of the CDI. If it has 1 wire it is DC. If it has 2 wires connected to it, it as AC.
I was also told, it is wise to confirm it because China is a big place with a lot of assembler's not all doing the same thing. With a VOM, just turn the Ignition SW on and check the voltages at the small terminal. A dc unit will have 12V plus to the small connector. If it has 2 wires, check them both.
That seems contradictory to what I read here. so I am confused. I hope I do not confuse others.
If I recall correctly, Sprocket was my teacher./
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Post by imnts2 on Apr 1, 2012 8:17:13 GMT -6
Craig's list is a poor way to to find out what things sell for. I rarely pay what is asked. It costs nothing to list on Craig's list. Most of the Lister's are dreaming. They "hope". It really does not matter what the listing is. I always so my research elsewhere. Sure , I sometimes do not get what I want, but almost always, I find a better item in a short time. So the bottom line. You are selling used stuff. It does not matter what you have in it. What matters is what else it out there and what does it sell for. You have a good running scoot the looks good. Get good digital pictures. Emphasize the good stuff. Point out the obvious faults and decide your price. Be nice and smile a lot and friendly.
Offer to let the guy start it himself. Have it blocked so it can't be driven off. NO, they cannot ride it till it is bought. I never let anyone ride a scoot bigger than a 50cc. NO tags, no insurance. If they pay for it, is theirs to do as they will. Once paid for and I give them the title, they can ride off. If they do not like it, bring it back just as they bought it and I give them their money back. Break it/ Damage it and it is theirs.
Takes a little patience and a lot of smiles and nods. Not all of us are salesmen. I am not particularly good at it myself so I have had to work a bit. But I am happy to be honest.
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Post by imnts2 on Apr 1, 2012 7:58:50 GMT -6
Hang in man. Tries the patience to say the least.
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Post by imnts2 on Apr 1, 2012 7:49:19 GMT -6
Have not pulled one but did do an extensive PDI recently on my 06 as preventative maintenance. During it I removed all of the plastic aft of front end (some of it I removed also to get at the cooling system)
Why do you need to pull the engine? I decided when I had it undressed I could probably do a full top end including piston and cylinder OH without removing the engine/
My $70 Harbor Freight motorcycle jack did a nice job of helping hold the scoot to work on it. but I am going to splurge most of $200 for their high lift jack so I have it to stand up ( or sitting on a stool) height when I need to work on it. (I need it anyway to lift my tool boxes 25" to get them in an elevator when and if I need to prepare for hurricane or flooding.)
Cheers lefty2
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Post by imnts2 on Apr 1, 2012 5:35:58 GMT -6
What is your tack reading at WOT. I would be inclined to want neat 7000 RPM to get top power. If she is below that , you may actually be gerared a little high, I also like to try just a little larger main jet or lift the needle on notch. That will affect the the top end mixture more than the battom and give you just a little richer which most engines like. It is a lot cooler and safer than even slightly lean.
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Post by imnts2 on Apr 1, 2012 5:27:47 GMT -6
Yes. Got by from a reliable store.
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mega mil
by: imnts2 - Apr 1, 2012 5:24:54 GMT -6
Post by imnts2 on Apr 1, 2012 5:24:54 GMT -6
Oh well. Thanks for thying and thinking of us all.
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Post by imnts2 on Apr 1, 2012 5:22:42 GMT -6
Let us know how it works out
Thanks lefty2
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my scoot
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Post by imnts2 on Apr 1, 2012 5:13:04 GMT -6
Nice rides.
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Post by imnts2 on Apr 1, 2012 5:08:58 GMT -6
Common guys. Apreciate you reflexes but I I know what you told me. A person only needs to be clever enough to make a simple little backet to adjust the timing. (not very clever - just not stone dumb) But that is not the question I asked.
Besides it is pretty easy to find TDC and mark it. Then with a good timeing light/tach one could map the addvance curve of various CDI's includeing the so called "performance" ones. (if it will work wirth an a AC CDI ignition.
So the question is has anyone had any success using a timing light on a GY6 with an AC cdi. I suspet the AC cdi is not very compatible with inductive pickups.
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Post by imnts2 on Mar 31, 2012 3:07:59 GMT -6
Has anyone found had success using an inductive pick-up timing light on a GY6 engine with AC ignition?
thanks lefty2
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Post by imnts2 on Mar 19, 2012 20:32:18 GMT -6
Just as I figured. Glad it is working so well. Have you thought of finding a way to modify the battery box so you can use a small lawn tractor battery with a battery maintainer as a cheap way to give you enough electricity to allow you to go about anywhere you want to go in the daytime. EFI makes the 150 come alive!!!
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