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Post by Barnie on Jul 17, 2013 19:37:54 GMT -6
I have a JCL MP250a and I put a Pirrelli SL26 130/60/13 on front and a Pirrrelli Diablo 130/70/13 (wider) on the rear. I orig ordered a 140/60/13 and when it arrived at my home it was way larger in diameter and would have hit the front of the swing arm so I returned it and put the 130/70 on rear. Now the roketas may have a little more clearance in front than I have but there just was no way that 140 would fit. The tires are relatively easy to change yourself but I didn't want to install it just to see it would not fit and then I could not return it. These Pirrellis have been very good so far. Several thousand miles so far and show not signs of wear. Got them from Motorcycle super store and services was outstanding. Barnie
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Post by Barnie on Jul 11, 2013 19:13:55 GMT -6
Richard, that sure is encouraging news on hiccup. Some of the smallest things can upset these engines. I think I would try just a belt on the transmission and see if that helps with your clutch engaging dilemma. You know how sometimes 1 thing will take care of 2. If it runs ok for couple days I would say u got the gremlin. If your belt is slipping any it could cause your clutch to want to engage in & out. I have my idle set at 1900 rpm and every now and then I can feel my clutch wanting to kick in and out. Your clutch culd be ok, just belt causing goofy stuff. Barnie
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Post by Barnie on Jul 11, 2013 5:42:59 GMT -6
Richard, you were more than likely getting just enough air to engine when not raining, but after it started to rain the air got to dense from the humidity to be enough for the engine. Glad that was a simple fix, I like those kind. (and we blame the Chinese ;D ;D) Barnie
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Post by Barnie on Jul 11, 2013 5:31:59 GMT -6
Richard, we've paid our dues and we are entitled to those moments. I always tell my wife when I goof up something "I'm old". There is a slight possibility that may be part of ur hiccup, starved for air at high speed?? Probably not but see how it runs now. I am still leaning towards ur clutch and belt for that. Barnie
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Post by Barnie on Jul 10, 2013 15:54:46 GMT -6
Richard,kind of sounds like you were getting some rain into the airbox and making its way to the carb. Is your airbox bood and tight at the airbox end of carb and all the little pollution hoses on tight on the air box?? Barnie
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Post by Barnie on Jul 10, 2013 15:48:55 GMT -6
Damin, if you are very careful removing the seal and bearing, chances are you can get them at your local auto parts dealer if you have a supplier of decent size. All they have to do is measure the inside and outside and thickness with a digital caliper. They most likely will be in a metric size. Also as Richard said they both will or should have the bearing numbers on them. You may have to spend a little time matching them up if the numbers don't match. Barnie
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Post by Barnie on Jul 9, 2013 18:43:12 GMT -6
Hello Pepere, can you advise us which engine you have, the 244cc vertical Honda clone or the 257cc Linhai horizontal engine, that will help everyone help you. 1st of all if you say it floods easy and you have to prime it to get it started but runs well after starting we can assume its getting fuel so there could be a number of things wrong or simply need adjusted. Not knowing the maintenance history or age or miles, have you ever adjusted the valves or it could be due again, out of adjustment valves can make them very hard to get started or keep running. Your electric enrichener(choke may not be working). You may have a vacumn leak causing a loss of vacumn which could hinder it starting. Your carb could just be out of adjustment. Could you advise what you have or have not done and miles etc and you will get a ton of suggestions on what and how to do it. Barnie
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Post by Barnie on Jul 9, 2013 6:02:15 GMT -6
Richard, I also used to have a Roketa mc54b-150 which is identical in every way except it had a gy6 engine. The clutch looked the same as the 250 i have. It may be possible that the springs in that clutch will fit the 250. Parts for scooters at 1-866-478-8700 has a wide variety of spring sizes. It might be worth a call to them and have them measure on of their 1000rpm springs and campare to yours. I used to get parts from them for my 150 and they are good. The springs are like 9.99 for set of 3 . A phone call is worth a try, you might luck out. .partsforscooters.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">.partsforscooters.com 1-866-478-8700. Barnie
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Post by Barnie on Jul 8, 2013 16:23:08 GMT -6
JR, I concur with you on how the little changes can show big results. I have experimented as you have with different slider wghts and belts etc and it seems as tho I end up putting all the stock sizes back on to stay with the performance I had when this was new. I am still running the 856 belt and 14gram wghts. I've tried others but this is where mine runs at peak. Like you said no 2 are going to run the same. My son has a Burman 400 and a couple of friends do to and I can stay right with them under normal riding conditions, so I figured I best leave it alone several years ago. The only changes I have ended up leaving alone is I did install elec fuel pump and a 130/70/13 rear tire and a no 40 pilot jet in place of the 38 stock, that did help out on bottom 1/2 of throttle. I'm a retired senior citizen and this scoot is my biggest hobby. All things considered for what they cost I think the Chinese did a pretty damn good job. If I could I would ride a Burgman to but then we all know why we ride these. I am very happy with this JCL and it appears to me most on these forums enjoy theirs to. Barnie
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Post by Barnie on Jul 6, 2013 4:57:21 GMT -6
JR, I have found experimenting that a longer belt than stock size or a stretched belt lets the variator ride out at the top like its should but the extra length causes the belt to not drop as deep in the torque converter causing a loss of top speed because you reach high gear on the variator but not on the torque converter. What are you findings. Richard, guess your still looking for the witch but I am sure u will find it. Barnie
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Post by Barnie on Jul 5, 2013 18:03:18 GMT -6
Richard, that being said, I think I would just try to do a pm serv on the clutch take it apart and clean up the pins the shoes fit on and just a coating of grease and make sure they move freely and put a new belt on and see how she does. Your springs may be quite fine but just dirt etc on the shoes and pins causing them to work hard. Put on a new belt and do a little maint and give her a try. It only takes a few minutes to change the belt, maint on clutch a little longer. Something to do this week end !!!! Barnie
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Post by Barnie on Jul 5, 2013 15:49:45 GMT -6
Ernie, I have the same exact scoot you have only mine is blue and silver. 2007 JCL MP250a with linhai 257. Barnie
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Post by Barnie on Jul 5, 2013 15:47:45 GMT -6
Ernie, get your wheel off ok. Barnie
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Post by Barnie on Jul 5, 2013 15:43:30 GMT -6
Richard, blue bell would indicate your clutch has gotten very hot, whether only 1 time or often would be hard to tell. It will tell you that it has been slipping probably quite a bit from glazing or weak springs not holding the pads tight against the bell promoting a lot of heat. The belt should not cause the clutch to slip. As long as the belt is turning the torque converter your clutch should engage unless your belt was slipping severly at which point you would really know it as scoot would hardly want to move. That does not appear to be your case since your still riding it. With 15000 mile on it the pads may be just super glazed and hard. You might check the price of new pads & springs vs the cost of an entire new clutch assy and of course a belt. I use hi temp implement grease in my clutch and on only the 4 guides in my variator not other grease in my variator. It seems to withstand the heat without breaking down. The lithium you use is also good as long as its hi heat rated. Maybe we can get JR and Alley and anyone else to add their comments. Normally several suggestions come up with an excellent outcome. PS. make sure your contra springs is good and not broken, that could cause your clutch to slip by intermittedly engaging. Barnie
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Post by Barnie on Jul 5, 2013 5:55:40 GMT -6
Richard, I would put a new 856-23-30 back on it. I think you will really notice a difference in how it performs. Right not you are running about the same as a 871 which is just to long. An 871 will work but it just changes all your gear ratios and would not let you reach high gear or top speed or an increase in you starting take off. A longer belt lets your variator ride out sooner b4 it starts to change your torque converter back at the clutch. Is your clutch bell blued? And while u have it open are the clutch pads worn down bad. You may want to put new pads on and lube springs and pins holding the pads on. You would be good to go then for another 12000 miles. Be sure and get a Gates or Bando belt. The Gates are easiest to find. Barnie
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