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Post by rapidjim on Aug 13, 2013 7:41:25 GMT -6
Marty I sent you an email
Jim
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Post by rapidjim on Aug 11, 2013 14:22:24 GMT -6
That is true Jim and I are not pissed at each other like he said we do have our own opinions and at times may disagree. And we may have a back and forth dialog but nothing to cause getting pissed at each other. We all learn from discussion and disagreements. In this case I LOST  I did not know that they shipped it ready to rock and roll when you pick which PDI you want. Now that is good and I understand why they cannot adjust the carb it would be illegal and they would get in a heap of trouble. Sorry Jim but you never mentioned that they can be shipped ready to rock and roll if you choose in all the back and forth.  Case Closed ;D My apology to all and to all a good ride  Alleyoop OMG I won one LMAO Yeppers they started that back when the changed their warranty. Now keep in mind: ready to rock and roll is an ICE BEAR PDI and Asem, and has to be ordered that way. It is not the same as a dealer PDI. Jim |
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Post by rapidjim on Aug 11, 2013 9:36:27 GMT -6
Ellpee, No reason for Alley and Me to kiss and make up with are just having a friendly disagreement. As far as I know neither of us is mad at the other, we sometimes have a difference of opinion but everyone does now and then. "P.S And you still cannot convince me the check check, tighten tighten is worth $295.00 useless. Now if they set it up and ship it all put together so that all they have to do is put GAS and battery in and turn the key and IT WILL RUN GOOD that is a different story. Read more: .thescooterprofessor.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=3wheel&action=display&thread=2887&page=3#ixzz2bfsSHzHn" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> .thescooterprofessor.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=3wheel&action=display&thread=2887&page=3#ixzz2bfsSHzHn" I must have missed something somewhere, so I will add jus this comment. When Ice Bear does the PDI and Assembly, the trike is shipped on a different pallet, ready to ride, just add gas ( the battery is already installed). The only thing they don't do is, remove the air/fuel mixture screw plug and adjust the ratio. Frankly, I am surprised that I haven't seen more write ups on high altitude issues. The only issues I have had, was a bad carb that adjustments would not fix and it was warrantied. Case in point, I just had a customer receive her trike( the 2nd one, the first one was fatally damaged in shipment and returned) that was PDIed and Assembled from Ice Bear and all she did was remove it from the pallet, put gas in it and go and has been riding the tar out of it. Jim |
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Post by rapidjim on Aug 8, 2013 8:14:54 GMT -6
That is exactly what I mean, Idle adjust is not going to make the motor get the right amount of fuel to air mixture. I just wanted to point out the money someone pays for a PDI is really not worth the money and gives the customer wrong expectations. Motors need to be adjusted for the climate they will be running in. Take your old cars with carbs same problem now all fuel delivery and timing is computer controlled and can make changes on the fly for the different climates, temps changes people will be driving in. I remember back in 1960s my wife and I drove to Las Vegas went through Denver. I had a 1967 Buick Wildcat Big 455 motor and going through the mountains was a pain, no power could not even pass a Semi which was in front of me. Alleyoop That may have been what you meant, but that is not what you said, Ah come on jim the damn scoots come with the Carb plugged up so tell me how they adjust the carb. It would be illegal for them to mess with the carb. And anyone can see the PDI, CHECK, CHECK ,CHECK, TIGHTEN, TIGHTEN, TIGHEN and change oil, no real skills needed for that my friend. Alleyoop Also, not everyone has the skills, knowledge, tools, or even the desire to assemble and check over a machine. What seems easy to you or I, is extremely hard for some. That is one of the reasons why Ice Bear added their PDI option, for those people that don't want to do it or can't do it themselves or don't have anyone in their area to do it. It has been my experience, that the majority of the people that have had the PDI/Assembly done before the machine is shipped have been very happy with it. Of course, just like anything else, the happy folks very rarely post on these forums. Jim |
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Post by rapidjim on Aug 7, 2013 7:09:46 GMT -6
Ah come on jim the damn scoots come with the Carb plugged up so tell me how they adjust the carb. It would be illegal for them to mess with the carb. And anyone can see the PDI, CHECK, CHECK ,CHECK, TIGHTEN, TIGHTEN, TIGHEN and change oil, no real skills needed for that my friend. Alleyoop DO you see any where in the checklist that says adjust carb air/fuel? No it says idle adjust. Jim |
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Post by rapidjim on Aug 5, 2013 19:49:20 GMT -6
They are IMPORTERS not mechanics, they want to sell their products to dealers they do not want anything to do with dealing with individual customers that they leave to the dealers. I would bet the people they have doing a PDI are young folks that one guy showed them what to check and how. I do not believe they hired a top notch mechanic. The PDI really does not involve any mechanical skills just making sure nothing is so loose it will fall off. Changing oil a 10 year old can do if you show him how. People really expect a lot when they pay for a PDI but most will not even attempt to start the motor. Alleyoop I agree with your statement about being importers and relying on their dealers just like any other importer, distributor or Detroit, where I disagree with your statement about being young folks doing the PDIs. The individual at IB in CA is a mechanic but sadly he does not speak english very well at all, speaks excellant Chinese. And yes the machines are supposed to be started and the carb set. Ice Bear PDI Here is the check list that Ice Bear (CA) uses for their PDI 1. Assemble all fenders and parts using locktite.______ 2.Change engine oil and gear oil _____ 3. Tighten axle nuts_____ 4.Tighten brake rotor and sprocket bolts_____ 5. Tighten handle bar bolts____ 6. Tighten steering stem nuts_____ 7.Check brakes and brake lever adjustment_____ 8.Check throttle adjustment_____ 9. Check chain/belt tension and adjustment____ 10. Check tire pressure_____ 11. Charge battery____ 12.Tighten kickstand and center stand_____ 13. Check pull start and kick start_____ 14. Set idle adjustment________ 15. Check all fuel lines____ 16. Check all eletrical connections____ 17. Check all lights_____ 18. Check killswitch ______ Signature___________________________________________ Date I am not saying they are perfect, nor am I saying that mistakes are not made. We are all human. Jim |
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by: rapidjim - Aug 5, 2013 15:28:03 GMT -6
Post by rapidjim on Aug 5, 2013 15:28:03 GMT -6
I asked about it in another thread, but might as well jump in here too. Anybody out there running around on an Ice Bear trike -- Magnum or any of the others with that 276cc engine -- what kind of mileage are you getting, and in what kind of terrain? I just got one and am using it in high altitude, mountainous country, and the mileage is way less than I expected -- maybe 35-40 mpg. Just wondering about others' experiences. Once you get that carb dialed in and jetted right for your altitude you should see a great improvement. Jim |
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Post by rapidjim on Aug 5, 2013 13:23:45 GMT -6
[replyingto=steve]steve[/replyingto]Wouldn't call you a dumb ass. You learned something! Glad you found it
Jim
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Post by rapidjim on Aug 4, 2013 9:02:33 GMT -6
[replyingto=ellpee]ellpee[/replyingto]If your plug is black after a run like that and was clean before, you are running too rich and may need to lower the jet size. Not enough air, check your air box for a restriction before you lower your jet size.
Jim
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Post by rapidjim on Aug 4, 2013 8:57:22 GMT -6
I am here to tell you that Ice Bear doesn't line their tanks with anything. What a Load of bull!
Jim
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Post by rapidjim on Aug 3, 2013 10:22:06 GMT -6
Was interested to read the most recent post about issues with the Zodiac. Shall not comment further. Received new Magnum a month ago, without IceBear PDI. Lots of issues with dealer, but not (necessarily) with IceBear. HOWEVER: bought Magnum for use at high altitude. My town is at 6900', my house at 7400', average operating environment between 4500' and 8500'. Okay, so I understand the Magnum (and all its other same-engine clones) are probably set initially for the People's Republic of California. Great, I get that. So I've now been dinking around for a month trying to get the carb settings right for high altitude. WHERE I STAND RIGHT NOW: -- Starts OK cold, fairly well warm, so-so hot. -- Power OK on the flat, but not much of that in our area. Bogs down to 30 mph or so on steeper slopes (7%+). -- Gas mileage disappointing; appears to be 30-40 mpg at best. SO, what should I think about all this? Is this the best I can expect from the Magnum (and its various IceBear engine clones) in my particular operating environment? I'm not a wheelie kind of guy, but if the above suggests my Magnum needs further tweaking and running it as currently tuned is going to create further problems, whould like to hear about it. Okay this helps explains more of what is happening. To meet EPA standards, they are jetted more or less for sea level, not so great at higher elevations like where you are. Less air causes a richer mixture. To see if this is what is going on with yours, remove the air filter element from the housing, and take a short ride. See if it improves. Then we can figure out the next step. Another thing you can try is called a plug chop. Take a plug wrench with you. Let the machine warm up to operating temp, ride down the road at WOT, while at WOT hit the kill switch and coast to a stop. Pull the plug and see if you are lean or rich. Hope this helps Jim |
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Post by rapidjim on Aug 2, 2013 7:27:13 GMT -6
It looks like it is charging. Mostlikely you have a bad battery.
Jim
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Post by rapidjim on Jul 29, 2013 8:19:58 GMT -6
I just can't help myself LOL well i really wish and pray that the chinese's will improve the quality of their scooters and ALL the products that are chinese... in these hard times people still want to buy cheaper scoot that fit their budget. but its been 40 years now they still didnt improve, i dunno whats preventing them(chinese people) from making quality products, i dont think its monetary because china as a whole is a very progressive country now, i think it's their mentality, values, PROFIT the the only thing in their minds. and as a theory, mass production of anything jeopardizes the quality. if kz will agree with me, i promise to drop this chinese scooter issue and never mention it again. Would love to know where you get your stats? "40 years now and still didn't improve". I have seen lots of improvements in just the last 5 years. Did you own a chinese scooter 40years ago? I will renew my questions to you again and see if maybe you will answer them this time How Long have you been a mechanic? Auto? Truck? Motorcycle? Scooter? How long have you made your living with the above? What kind of different manufacturers/distributors have you dealt with and repaired or sold their machines? How long have you been a motor vehicle dealer? What brands? Read more: scooterdoc.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=talk&action=display&thread=8163&page=2#ixzz2aRb0j7AuAnd the comment you made comparing me to a drug dealer is still an issue with me! Jim |
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Post by rapidjim on Jul 21, 2013 9:43:41 GMT -6
So, as time passes I have learned that my apparently too-rich mixture quickly deposits lots of black stuff on the spark plug, and even what I would consider a minor black buildup on the plug causes it to misfire or not fire at all. So, went around town today looking for an upscale replacement -- iridium or triple platinum or whatever -- for my OEM NGK plug. Rotsa Ruck, all I could find was the same NGK plug. Okay, fine, bought one and put it in. Scoot fired right up, drove it about 15 miles around town. Ran well, started well for the most part. significant black stuff on plug after only 15 miles. (Yeah, I know, mixture needs adjusting for high altitude, have that scheduled at a local shop next week, my tool collection isn't up to the job.) What I'm wondering now is, AFTER I have the mixture tweaked, is it really going to be worth my time and trouble to chase around looking for a "foofier" spark plug that the OEM NGK? What's it going to do for me? I'm not looking for burn-rubber performance, just reliability. I know full well this trike isn't ever going to be a "hot" ride. The black deposits are from to rich of a mixture caused by the carb. No matter what spark plug you use, until you get your carb issue tended to it will foul. NGK is the only plug I use in my shop. Very realible. Jim |
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Post by rapidjim on Jul 21, 2013 9:28:29 GMT -6
I believe the NCY KIT is a waste of money really your basically paying for the NAME "NCY" All you really need is a PERFORMANCE VARIATOR 115MM in Diameter and Weights to match it up to get a few more MPH top end. The Clutch side is not going to give you any thing except they put in stronger Springs on the 3 Clutch pads and maybe a stronger CONTRA SPRING. The CLUTCH PAD SPRINGS all they do is REQUIRE HIGHER RPMS before the PADS are thrown out to grab the BELL to turn your wheel. The CONTRA SPRING requires more RPMS to open the CLUTCH PULLEY to get to a higher speed. So if your happy with the 50mph top end speed just get a PERFORMANCE VARIATOR like the KOSCO 115mm Variator and some 11 and 12 gram weights. That will raise your rpms and be quicker getting to your 50mph and maybe a little better on your top end. FORGET about the CLUTCH you do not need that. Alleyoop I agree with Alley. There are those that will argue I am sure but why pay more for the same product because of the name. Another example of this is oil, a quart of Valvoline 10w40 in their pretty bottle is $5.95 at my local NAPA, the NAPA brand 10w40 is $3.25 and is made by Valvoline, so why pay an additional $2.70 for a pretty bottle? I have used both the KOSCO variators and Scrappydog's Performance variators with excellant results. Jim |
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