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Post by randall on Jan 29, 2013 16:18:06 GMT -6
Disassemble the handlebar pod containing the starter switch. Connect one side of your volt meter to the battery ground negative terminal and connect the other side of your meter to one or the other of the electrical connections on the back of the switch. With the handbrake depressed, you should see 12 volts on one of the switch connections and then with the starter switch depressed too, you should see 12 volts on the other connection, at which point the starter should also spin, but.... We'll see, eh?
Be sure your ignition key is on.
Doing this will confirm that the brake handle switches are both OK and the starter switch is OK. let us know if there is a side stand switch.
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Post by randall on Jan 29, 2013 15:30:01 GMT -6
Awesome Randall! Do you have any specs on the shocks? JR No, but I'll measure the rear shocks up as soon as I get the chance. Continuing the fork saga, while I got it right for most conditions, I noticed that it wasn't doing a good job absorbing washboard surfaces at high speed. I removed more oil from each fork so I now have 3-1/2 inches of air column. Since the top plug takes up about an inch of this, it's really 2-1/2 inches that all the air in the tube has to compress into. Anyway, I think I'm done, as the wash boarding has improved a lot from this, and without sacrificing firmness and control too much. This was a good learning experience. There's a lot of interesting info on fork tuning at various motorcycle sites, particularly for the enduro crowd. A simple device, but complex in operation and tuning.
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Post by randall on Jan 29, 2013 15:10:48 GMT -6
. Thanks, randall, for the side stand idea. Don't know if mine has such a switch, see no reference to such on the wiring diagram, but all the above has taken place while on the center stand, so it shouldn't be a factor. . Well, if you have one, it can be a factor when it's up. That's when the switch closes and allows current to flow. If the switch goes bad, which they can do easily since their construction and location are both poor, then it will keep your starter button from being energized. I think the first thing you should do is tear down the right switch pod and see if you have power at the starter switch when the key is on and the brake depressed. If so, is there also 12 volts on the switched terminal when you depress the button?
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Post by randall on Jan 29, 2013 8:31:34 GMT -6
Another suspect would be the side stand switch, if your bike has one. These have pretty flimsy spring contacts and don't survive an over current condition, ie they can burn open easily.
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Post by randall on Jan 25, 2013 14:27:35 GMT -6
Got'em out. Took some persuasion, in the form of a 5 pound sledge, but they finally came out. Got the new ones in, bike is back on the road. Oh, and the new Michelin City Grips I just put on are a dream! Wow, everything is smooth and quiet!
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Post by randall on Jan 25, 2013 5:57:43 GMT -6
Hey JR, Yup, saw that in the parts diagram, but the circlips retain the 2 running seals which are not shown there. Well, you could say the circlips retain all 4 parts, but the bearings are well stuck in there. I've put a puller on them but I was afraid to torque down too much on it in case there was a lip or another circlip between the 2 bearings. I'm starting to think there's nothing between the bearings, though. I've been giving them a good penetrating oil soak for a couple days while I bust my new tires on, so I'll try again. Worst case I'll just cut them out!
Mike, I had tried pounding them through with a socket, but they were not budging a bit. I think they are just rusted in.
Turns out they are actually 6302's.
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Post by randall on Jan 24, 2013 12:36:29 GMT -6
Hi, I need to remove and replace the rear wheel bearings as they had suffered ingress of water during my bikes hiatus with its careless previous owner. It's a 150cc GY6 based bike. There are two bearings pressed in the tube and I was wondering if I could remove these by just bashing them both straight through. Looking at the small gap between them however, it might almost appear that there is a spring clip between them, so perhaps the brute force approach may not be wise?
Anyway, any tips on properly removing these?
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Post by randall on Jan 14, 2013 14:25:40 GMT -6
After riding and tuning for a while, I settled on an oil level of 2-1/2 inches below the top of the fork tube. that's with the spring removed and the tube compressed fully. That's an increase of 3/4 inch in the air cavity from where I started. Forks don't bottom out easily, firm ride but soaks up the bumps, and it doesn't knock when topping out now. I think I've got it where I want it. Time will tell.
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Post by randall on Jan 11, 2013 17:10:39 GMT -6
OK, so I just changed from 13 gram rollers to 11 gram sliders in my variator. After tightening the variator nut, I thought I'd turn the engine on so that I'd have an idea of what the belt less variator sounded like. I figured if my bike lost drive and I heard that sound, I'd know immediately that it was a broken belt and not the gearbox or rear pulley sheaves, etc.
Sure enough, I got a major lug nuts in a tin can sound that I will be sure to recognize should my belt break anytime in the future. I only let it run a few seconds. On a hunch, I then removed the variator nut and carefully removed the variator pulleys. As many of you are aware, these Dr Pulley sliders must be installed with the correct attitude within the variator or they won't work every well, of course. After opening the variator up, all the sliders were topsy turvy in their slots. No way this would have worked well at all if I had just slapped the belt in and buttoned it up.
So, the lesson I learned today is, if I the belt ever snaps, always check the sliders positions before installing the new belt. Also, probably unwise to run the engine much while a belt is broken. I think the sliders take a beating in there under these conditions.
Hope this saves someone some future aggravation!
(BTW, the 11 gram sliders worked out perfectly. So did the hoka "racing" (whatever that means) clutch I put in, with blue springs. Thinking I may need a heavier contra spring though. Not sure yet.)
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Post by randall on Jan 9, 2013 9:47:19 GMT -6
Got the front end back together and took a local test ride. There are nice big speed bumps in my neighborhood for testing purposes. Can't get it out on a high speed road until I put a few more bits back on the bike!
Anyway, I definitely have a more solid feel. There's less dive when braking and bumping and recovery seems smoother. However, it likes to knock when the fork hits the top of its travel, which I don't like. Also the sag height is taller. All this makes sense since I reduced the volume of the air cavity. After I get a chance to see how this feels on high speed washboard stuff, Im thinking I need to increase that air cavity height, maybe a quarter inch.
I'm definitely going to drill and tap a 5 or 6mm hole in that fork cap so I can check, change, fill this fluid without having to pull the whole front end off. Tough when you're working by yourself.
I think a good set of adjustable rear shocks is soon to be on my shopping list too. Any decent recommendations for those?
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Post by randall on Jan 9, 2013 6:02:51 GMT -6
Further on with my 2006 Diamo Velux restoration, after sorting all the engine and transmission issues, my attention has turned to the front end. First thing I did was add balancing beads to the tires which made the world of difference, checked the tightness of the tree bearings, ok there, but of course with these issues out of the way it more clearly reveals all the other stuff that's wrong! So, on to the forks.
After scouring all the available service info on this bike, I have not been able to find a level or capacity or viscosity spec for the fork oil. Just isn't out there. But, researching bikes of similar size and weight, I found capacities ranging from 100ml to 150ml. notably the Benelli Adiva, nearly the same bike, calls for 140ml.
Presently, the front end seems to behave ok with road swells, speed bumps, etc., and anything that doesn't require the fork to move too quickly. But any washboard stuff, sudden holes, or high speed driving I can tell the fork is just not responsive enough and I'm getting instability. Hitting a bit of washboard at 50mph is presently a scary experience.
I pulled the forks off, removed the top caps and springs and measured the oils level. They were not matched. In fact off by about half an inch. Poured and pumped out all the oil and found 100ml in one and 70ml in the other. Also, what was in there was very thick, like maybe 40 or 50 weight. On a side note, the springs are nicely exactly the same length.
With no good data to help me out, I'm now doing this empirically. Decided to start out with some synthetic ATF since I had that on hand. It's amzoil which is about 7.5wt I believe. I added 125ml to each fork, bled it through well, and with no spring and the tube fully compressed I'm measuring 1-3/4 inch from the top of the tube to the oil level. So i at least now have a benchmark, a starting point. Buttoned the forks back together and by hand I can tell that they are much smoother, not as heavily damped. I'll be reassembling this morning and test riding sometime today.
My question is, I have to think that there's a good scientific way of determining fork oil level in the tube. Like a simple formulae that says if the tube is x diameter, y travel, etc., then what should the volume of the compressible air cavity be? Just thought I'd throw this out there and see if anyone had any insights on this.
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Post by randall on Jan 9, 2013 4:17:31 GMT -6
Couple of other possibilities, the tire may have become unbalanced which can happen as a tire wears, or you might be leaking fork oil........
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Post by randall on Jan 7, 2013 17:14:13 GMT -6
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Post by randall on Jan 7, 2013 14:18:09 GMT -6
67f here this morning. Thought about going for a ride, but nah, not quite sunny enough!
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Post by randall on Jan 5, 2013 17:14:08 GMT -6
STUMBLE........... GONE!!!!!!
Nice call, alley. While I had planned on tearing down the clutch and sheaves as a possible next step, I doubt I would have given those slots the scrutiny I did had you not suggested them as the problem. So, I'm really glad you did. Also glad I got everything back there well lubricated now.
Along with that stumble being gone, my takeoffs have less vibration too. And interestingly, an apparent increase in rpms on takeoff. I think the sheaves are having an easier time coming together now. Just more confirmation that I need lighter variator rollers. Something I already knew but now it's worse. These bikes come with 13 gram, but 11.5 has been recommended to me by folks knowledgable with this model.
Thanks for the skinny on the 6 slot sheave. There's no end to how much you can tweak these things!
Enjoy your weekend.
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