No fire By snechovski (Read 4,381 times)

[JR]

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[snechovski]

I sent them to you alleyoop, also I want to say I appreciate you guys helping me but, I hope I don't say this in the wrong way but I've worked on cars for a while now not scooters. So I've picked up a wrench or 2.wheb I tell you I didn't knock anything else off I mean it. The coil wires can't be reversed it has a small spade and a large one. The only thing that came of was the plug wire. I'm telling you I've been from front to back on this thing and I can't see anything unless I'm looking to hard. So I know I didn't cross anything because I didn't plug anything back up beside the coil and it only works one way.

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[JR]

Didn't say you crossed anything trying to. When you say you checked everything in your picture of the coil, the harness under it looks tied down with the original ties and undisturbed. Have you took "all" wires out of the harness from the coil all the way to the front of the scooter where the TCI is located? Completely out of the harness? If you haven't then again if your coil readings are what you say they are you have a direct short on the coil. Remember I can only go by what you say and Alley the photos he sent are now there big as a barn, click twice to look.

Harness = plastic tubing that the wires are in, again the Chinese make splices all the time especially in the wrapping and you will never see them without taking the tubing/wrapping off.

[JR]

BTW the top photo has a "green" wire hanging out, in the photo it looks cut, green = ground.

[snechovski]

That's the wire ally told me to unhooked I already soldier back together

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[alleyoop]

Jun 19, 2014 15:50:30 GMT -6 alleyoop said:

Pull the GREEN and WHITE out the one all the way on the right

Does that look like the Green/White on the CDI all the way to the right?

[snechovski]

The green and white is the one I disconnected all the way on the right

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[snechovski]

That's just the green side of the wire you can't see the white part....

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[snechovski]

Geesss guys you guys are tearing me apart like I'm some complete idiot.. I thought this site was to help others not try to find things to knock on people... Thanks

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[fflintstone]

Well,everybody is trying to help--there are 98 replies,counting yours,which is more than you usually see on one problem--my guess is they can tell you something but can't understand it for you---and by now you are probably completely off track--because you first said nothing was wrong with it so you took it a part to clean the carb--now you are looking to fix something totally unrelated to the carb---I say to put it back together and start looking for something wrong with the carb...and I say that your frustration with the forum is uncalled for since there are 98 replies trying to help--good luck,happy trails,fflintstone

[snechovski]

Thanks for your 2 cents fFlintstone but the scoot has no spark not the carb, and as far as frustration you would be to if everytime you ask something someone is looking to knock you I sted of asking politely at least that's the way I was raised I don't know maybe everyone is just looking to be better than somebody on here. And as far as 98 replys half of them are people replying totally off subject, like maybe it's your starter ones got nothing to do with the other. And the rest of the replys are people looking for something to bite at you about if everybody spent more time on the subject in hand you would have more successful threads because I've been searching on here and a lot of these threads are not even finish or the same as I'm going thru. So no, good luck to you...

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[richardthescooter3]

Hey snechovski, hang in there we do care about you and your problem. You have two of best people trying to help you, so don't judge this forum without giving us a chance. We all have problems that are hard to solve by times, I was like you at first also, had problems and didn't know how to ask the question because everything was new to me, but through time I learn and you can too. (we scooter guys got to stick together)

[snechovski]

Thanks Richard, fflinstone chiming In on the subject is exactly what I'm talking about. We're completely off subject here and wasting more time talking about this kind of stuff instead of what's wrong I'm sure they are good at what they do but I'm on pins and needles over here as to how I ask a question because I don't know what's coming back at me. One minute everything is OK the next we're all over the place. But thanks for being polite. Have a good night I have a scooter to try and fix.

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[alleyoop]

Ok so lets backtrack a little and maybe the problem is the KILLSWITCHs on that scoot:
Here is what JR said and the wire colors match so maybe check out the KILLSWITCHS.
Alleyoop

CDI colors equal:

Green = ground
Black/yellow = CDI feed to coil
Green/white = ground feed to stator
Brown/black = 12Vdc from battery
Blue/yellow = pulse or pick coil wire from stator

Now the Brown/black wire is the 12Vdc fed to the CDI and if you trace it out it runs through a series of two kill switches one on the kick stand the other on the right handle bar and they are in series so if either switch is bad = no power to CDI.

The SIDESTAND should be up if it has a killswitch on the sidestand.

[JR]

Jun 20, 2014 15:28:14 GMT -6 snechovski said:

Geesss guys you guys are tearing me apart like I'm some complete idiot.. I thought this site was to help others not try to find things to knock on people... Thanks

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Whoa hold on a minute! Helping is for sure what we are trying to do. I'm not a idiot either and when I said wires were compromised when "you" took out the carb I still stand by that. Does it make any sense that it was running "electrically" before you removed the carb and now it doesn't? Chances for an electrical failure of a part just because a non-electrical item was removed are very slim.

Now you said you've replaced the kitchen sink as far as all components of the firing system and still have no spark, so you either:

Bought the wrong parts

Installed them wrong

Got bad parts

Or have a not on purpose wiring issue that was created on removing the carb.

Don't think I missed anything here.

Now I'll repeat this statement of yours:

Ok here's what my coil is doing, both sides of coil have ground w/key off when key is on both sides have power.

 I posted has matched the color wires to your system to the letter so if you trace out the coil wire/TCI wiring you'll see this is wrong and if you do know the basics of electrical you'll understand by this diagram that the system has a short in it. It's either wires shorted together or a internal part internally shorted, could be the coil itself?

The coil with the key on should have 12Vdc only on the voltage feed wire to it and not both terminals.

JR