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Post by ellpee on Mar 9, 2014 19:31:04 GMT -6
Something I saw in a recent thread caught my interest, and I thought I'd "transplant it" here as a generic topic/question. Someone wrote that his stator was rated for a particular wattage, 1100 I think it was. Given all the weak charging system troubles I've had, that got me to wondering if one can replace an OEM stator with a higher-rated one to give the charging system more oomph. I know my current, OEM stator is putting out around 2-22v AC at idle, and up in the 65-70v range at higher RPM, but I have no clue what its wattage rating might be.
It's not something I'd attempt until I have some other very good reason to pull plastics and dig into that part of the engine, but if/when that day comes, I'd be willing to consider a stator upgrade IF I can find one that will fit seamlessly, and IF it will truly make a difference in the charging output and not screw up any other electrical components like the R/R or CDI. Electrical gurus out there -- what say you?
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Post by tvnacman on Mar 10, 2014 5:56:47 GMT -6
11pole stator 7pin regulator ans some wiring mods , I'm getting feed back on a 1-10 scale about a 4 , 10 being the hardest . Seversl guys on each forum have done it with parts ftom me .
John
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Post by scot on Mar 10, 2014 8:14:34 GMT -6
something i saw on ehow amps to watts .5 amps a half amp is 60watts so 60 watt light buld puts out .5amps so 22amps would be 1400 watts ac ,an run a lot of light bulbs or should hehehehe so yes our charging systems should do the job more time then known could be voltage regulater,I don't know that much about electricity,but I am trying to learn 15amps is a lot of juice a 20amp breaker runs alot of things
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Post by ellpee on Mar 10, 2014 10:17:07 GMT -6
11pole stator 7pin regulator ans some wiring mods , I'm getting feed back on a 1-10 scale about a 4 , 10 being the hardest . Seversl guys on each forum have done it with parts ftom me . John So I interpret that as there is an 11-pole stator that would seamlessly replace my presumably less-than-11-pole stator, but that it requires a 7-pin regulator (my OEM R/R has six pins), and the replacement process is not all that awful. Am I reading you correctly? As I wrote, I have my charging situation somewhat under control for now, would not tear the scooter down again just for this reason, but when the time comes it might be something I'd consider. And, of course, I'm understanding that you have all the necessary parts when that day comes? Stator, R/R, wiring, connectors? I'll search around on the forum for "replace stator" and see if I can read up on it. |
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Post by tvnacman on Mar 10, 2014 11:00:07 GMT -6
If your regulator is 6 pin you may have 11pole stator .
John
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Post by ellpee on Mar 10, 2014 16:12:11 GMT -6
If your regulator is 6 pin you may have 11pole stator . John Yup, definitely six-pin. Three yellow from the stator, three of other colors that come/go to/from other places. Know it far better than I ever wanted to. As to my stator, no idea; have never had to dig that deep. It's whatever ChingChong Industries were installing as OEM on the 2011 Honda-clone Roketa. |
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Post by alleyoop on Mar 10, 2014 17:29:44 GMT -6
If you have 3 yellow wires coming from the stator you already probably have a 11 pole stator.
Alleyoop
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Post by ellpee on Mar 10, 2014 17:59:46 GMT -6
Okay, upgrade probably wouldn't do diddly for me then. Suspect #1 remains some random (as in unintentional) loss of voltage when the cooler fan kicks in. For now I have that solved, voltmeter still stays around 12.5v with fan/13.5+ without, so I'll procrastinate about solving the remaining mystery until I have to open up all that plastic involved in getting to the fan and the radiator thermoswitch. Major PITA.
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Post by alleyoop on Mar 10, 2014 18:17:35 GMT -6
Cooling fans on the scoots take a lot of juice from the battery. About the only thing to do is get a fan that does not draw so much juice. And they have them many have changed their fans to get back some watts.
Alleyoop
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Post by ellpee on Mar 11, 2014 9:39:04 GMT -6
Cooling fans on the scoots take a lot of juice from the battery. About the only thing to do is get a fan that does not draw so much juice. And they have them many have changed their fans to get back some watts. Alleyoop Already done -- bought the 3-amper you recommended and installed it, didn't make much difference, charging system still couldn't keep up. (If anybody wants to buy a perfectly good OEM Roketa fan, let me know! Supposedly draws something like 8 amps, though ....) Something is apparently still hinky with the connections or grounding of that battery --> thermoswitch --> fan --> ground circuit, and all the connections are way the hell up underneath the plastic, so I won't tackle that until I absolutely have to get under the plastics anyway for some other reason. The interim fix to my charging problems was LEDs in all small lights and taking the headlights off-line in the daytime, which is the only time I ride anyhow. Fortunately in AZ daytime headlights are not required. |
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Post by alleyoop on Mar 11, 2014 12:42:32 GMT -6
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Post by scot on Mar 11, 2014 14:42:49 GMT -6
hey thanks Alleyoop,you realy are a big help hear thank you ,do you know wich one may work best for ours mine is 2013 ,An ellpee 2011 .I got it saved the page that is |
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Post by ellpee on Mar 11, 2014 16:40:04 GMT -6
Yup, mos' definitely unless there's some part of that fan circuit I'm completely unaware of. As I wrote, 13.5v at RPM/no fan qualifies as "good enough" for the present, but when I lose an entire volt on the voltmeter as soon as the fan kicks in, even AFTER having supposedly upgraded to a lower-amp fan, there's still a volt-eater in the woodpile somewhere. Fan on, it holds around 12.5v, but if I spend much time idling as I'm out and about, I still see the battery being slowly sucked dry, which makes me nervous about long, all-day runs. So I make a point of shutting the scooter down any time I'm stopped for more than a minute or two, and I still have my fully charged backup battery in the trunk. I already replaced my R/R once at about the two-month point with one off some internet site, but if it becomes necessary I'll certainly go with one from the people you suggest. Lots of posts here suggest they are the go-to guys. |
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Post by alleyoop on Mar 11, 2014 21:43:19 GMT -6
Yep, all you do is contact him and tell him what you have and he will tell you which one will do the job for you.
Alleyoop
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Post by scot on Mar 12, 2014 10:43:19 GMT -6
I ran mine around town for few hours yesterday was nice 50,i have yet to take a reading while running ellpee whear are you takeing the reading from ,an after starting stoping an few hours running rideing letting the fan kick in ,when I took the battery out it was still fully charged the battery that came with it ,I shut mine off at the red switch take the key out an hit the unlock button 2 times from remote as i did hear that can still pull power from the battery if not done .like they say so it does not drain battery while sitting,alot of stop an go ,seems fine ,for now
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..BAD TO THE BONE..