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Post by grocerygetter on Jun 20, 2012 10:01:47 GMT -6
I held off for a couple tanks before jumping to conclusions. Haven't had much time this spring to continue dialing in the bike from last fall when I first started using it.
Dreaded pulling plastic off to do the inevitable valve adjustment but I had all the symptoms, especially at the end of my long ride in spring.
Decided to drill 2 holes thru the bottom of the battery box to access the top cap and was able to make that adjustment on the intake valve.
Only undone the 2 farthest back screws on the black bottom panel to drop it from the back and let it hang from the front. Got the exhaust valve from there. However I left that one loose at about 6 - 7 thou. A little ticky but the results have proved that is better than too tight.
Biggest time saver was not going thru this timing business. I thought about it. All I want to see is the valve in its closed position. I dont really care what cycle its in. So I slowly cycled the engine tapping on the starter with the battery hooked up until I saw the valve closing. Repeated a couple times to make sure I was in a closed cycle when adjusting each valve.
When finished the thing started within a second and the idle went over 3 grand. I had been over compensating the idle as my performance detoriated since new. Grabbed a handy minature rachet wrench with Phillips bit in it since this is the only way to adjust the idle on the carb I replaced my original with - the idle screw is now horizontal facing the back of the bike, not vertical like the original. Man I had to have had that screw halfway out. Got the warm idle down just below clutch engagement and wheel spin. Perfect. Has never ran so smooth and started so good. Hot and cold. Starts the same with no stumbling. Power is right there. Need to retry those mountain passes I've always had trouble with.
I have to admit I was at the point where I don't have the time to constantly adjust this bike and it wasn't near my expectations to begin with. Now I love it and would buy another.
60mph with barely any throttle. Carrying two up grades with no slow down like it had before.
Two tanks now with city stop and go walking up to traffic lights that cycle 3 times before my turn. Plus rural 50mph half that way.
Get this. 89mpg. I am blown away. And I verified with GPS. I did it twice. And it feels like it. No effort to make this thing go and keep speed now.
Cant wait to do a long rural tour and I have complete confidence in 90mpg.
Different carb, fine tuning the air fuel screw, loose valve adjustment. Did the trick for me finally.
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Post by alleyoop on Jun 20, 2012 10:46:31 GMT -6
WOW!! Amazing good for you, the valves must of not been set to well if it picked up so many RPMS after the adjustments. That is great to hear Enjoy the riding and good tip on adjusting the bottom valve just let the cap hang. Alleyoop
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Post by richardthescooter3 on Jun 20, 2012 17:09:33 GMT -6
What kind of scoot do you have
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Post by yoster on Jun 20, 2012 17:52:38 GMT -6
Is this the 244 or the 257? What scooter model?
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Post by cruiser on Jun 20, 2012 19:22:20 GMT -6
From the description of the valve adjustment, I would guess that it's a 257cc. Sounds like the engine is running sweet. The next question is concerning the carb. Did you replace the original? If so, what kind did you install and where did it come from?
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Post by grocerygetter on Jun 21, 2012 10:17:52 GMT -6
Sorry people It's a 2007 JCL 257, bought new in 2011. @ Cruiser - always impressed with your knowledge.
Well I filled up at lunch and it wasn't quite as good as the last 2 tanks but I find that ambient outside temp plays a big role. Previous 2 tanks were run with 70* outside temps. This tank we've had mid 90's outside. So, drum roll............... 84mpg in the hotter weather. Still can't beilive it and I'm trying myself to disprove it by any possible error. I've been calculating mpg in my vehicles for over 20yrs and converting while working in Europe so this isn't new to me.
@ Alleyoop - yep I'm sure the valves were never quite right but definitely got worse over the 1600 miles so far.
Yes I replaced the original carb. I was blindly looking for restitution during breakin for better results. Feeling pretty certain I never had the valves right to begin with because the inconsistent starting and performance issues have gone away. I'll have to look tonight and let you know where and what I got for the replacement. At this point I will not move forward with the different jets I had been contemplating before the valve adjustment. Not even sure I will do the clutch sliders yet. Tires however are still original and very annoying. Looking into the tires JR suggested and some Dynabeads. Need to get rid of that vibration above 60 mph. Not to mention the growling and humming. Hey might even got another mpg!
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Post by grocerygetter on Jul 4, 2012 13:30:02 GMT -6
From the description of the valve adjustment, I would guess that it's a 257cc. Sounds like the engine is running sweet. The next question is concerning the carb. Did you replace the original? If so, what kind did you install and where did it come from? I have tried numerous times to find the carb I bought and pictures that I swear I took of the original and the new one side by side for comparison. No luck. I bought it on Ebay thru the advice of another member on SD with the same great results as me (as if there was a batch with jets for our country?) and I have my order # but the product is no longer listed. Here is the page to the same vendor and his current list of carbs. stores.ebay.com/T-MOTORSPORTS-STORE/_i.html?_nkw=carb&submit=Search&_sid=111966282Mine is not there. Known as T-motorsports on many sites with sometimes sketchy transactions mainly surrounding misrepresented quality, but known as gold3288gold on eBay. I've now bought a few things from him and my only questionable quality would be the trunk luggage rack that I haven't mounted yet do to that quality that requires more than just a screw on application. Sorry I couldn't supply more detailed info on the carb.
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Post by grocerygetter on Jul 5, 2012 18:43:30 GMT -6
UPDATE Found the pictures of the new carb I got on eBay. New one is on the left, original is on the right in all pictures Too bad the seller doesn't list them anymore. Note the idle screw on the new carb is horizontal (difficult), old carb was vertical (easier to adjust). Both have the same KF JAPAN stampings but there are significant detail differences in the castings. I had to slightly reroute the throttle cable.
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Post by speedracer on Jul 5, 2012 18:53:50 GMT -6
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Post by grocerygetter on Jul 5, 2012 19:12:40 GMT -6
Not sure what the differences are from the stock unit that make it better but someday I may take them apart and compare closer. For now it runs too good to mess with it. Thats a slightly better price than what I paid. I encourage anyone who is questioning their carb or choke performance to grab one of these and be done with it.
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Post by cruiser on Jul 5, 2012 20:03:14 GMT -6
Hi grocerygetter. I believe THIS is the same as the one you have.
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Post by grocerygetter on Jul 5, 2012 21:29:17 GMT -6
Hi grocerygetter. I believe THIS is the same as the one you have. I went back and forth on the pictures and that listing in eBay does look like the on I have. About the same price too. I just found the pictures of the shipping carton as well. Mike Ting from Pomona CA. Model CBKF250 Attachments:
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Post by cruiser on Jul 5, 2012 23:00:44 GMT -6
I actually ordered one from the vendor I linked to a little over a month ago. It looked good when I opened the box. I decided to install it on the scoot last weekend, but something didn't look right on close inspection. The metal just above the idle mixture screw is flattened. The screw cannot be adjusted and the head of the screw is actually cracked in half. The edge of the throttle bore has a slight flat spot which was enough to make the opening over .35 mm out of round. You can see how the flat spot lines up with the flat spot next to the idle screw. It looks like the carb was dropped or something was dropped on the carb. Really not that easy to notice. I emailed the vendor who responded quickly and gave me a number to call. I mailed the carb back and received a good one in 6 days. Hopefully I have good results like you guys have had.
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Post by speedracer on Jul 6, 2012 9:20:52 GMT -6
Cruiser before you install it see if what size the pilot screw is. I took mine apart and cleaned it, but never thought of looking to see if a size was listed on it. In fact I didn't notice the idle screw until after I put it in. It's a pain to get to, but once I had it set the idle has never changed once the enricher heats up.
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Post by cruiser on Jul 6, 2012 12:02:22 GMT -6
I plan to take off the bowl to check out the main jet and the pilot jet. I have a kit of different size jets if I feel like changing things out. Probably will go with the installed ones since everyone seems to be having good results.
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