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Post by jalat on Oct 14, 2011 8:49:09 GMT -6
Thank you JR. And funny to hear you say you regret that you sold it. I have read many many forum writings where people regret that they ever sold Honda CX. It is told to be one of the most reliable bikes ever made. But as we all know. Every now and then we have feelings that have to get something new or different Maybe I should check this forum also every now and then
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Post by jalat on Oct 14, 2011 6:08:39 GMT -6
I don't forget scooter riders. There is a little scooter rider always inside of me Scooters are great. And like cruiser said. I still have one scooter. This is just one step what I have to try because you have to live your dreams. And this is one of my long time dreams
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Post by jalat on Oct 13, 2011 11:40:19 GMT -6
I'm not sure what I just did. Is this wise or not? But I kind of got opportunity to make one of my long time dreams come true. I just bought motorcycle.... Very old motorcycle. 31 years old That means I am selling my Jonway which ends one kind of era for me. I had it only 6 months and 3000km. I put really much effort for that scooter. Somebody gonna get really good one from me. Hid lights, led bulbs, coolant changed, oils changed, new belt, new rollers + dr.pulleys, new variator and clutch, higher givi screen, 12V outlet, gammatronix + digital volt meter, better regulator and grip heaters ;D The condition is so good that you only need to show your finger to start button and it starts. Well.. I might be sorry after I sell it, but here in Finland the insurances are way too high that one can have more than one motorcycle. And at the moment I have three. One 50cc scooter is for my wife. Back to that motorcycle. I have always dreamed that some day I will buy a motorcycle which is about same age than me. I have born 1979 and this motorcycle is 1980. Built in 1979 Those bikes are usually high price in here, but now it is autumn and prices are lower. I had really good oppornity to buy one in good condition and really cheap Price was about one fourth of what they usually cost. 70 years old man sold it to me. He felt too old to drive anymore. Told me to keep it good Bike is Honda CX 500 - year model 1980 - 115 000km in odometer ~71 000 miles. (these models easily can reach 200 000 miles) - water cooled - cardan axle - flying V2 engine (easy to maintain) - double disc brakes at front - dry weight 220kg - 50 bhp I fell in love at first sight. notice how small that scooter 13" tyre look compared to 19"And the first thing was to remove that windscreen and that grill thing behind I already have plans to do some modifications. I will go trough all the wirings and make better connections. I put grip heaters and bar end mirrors like this. .blogcdn.com/.autoblog.com/media/2009/10/ducati-sport-1000-large_10_opt.jpg" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">.blogcdn.com/.autoblog.com/media/2009/10/ducati-sport-1000-large_10_opt.jpgAnd maybe something else too like little chromed part here and there. But not too much. I like the way it looks already. So I think this is goodbye for a while I guess (or maybe I am lurking here every now and then) Thank you guys for helping everybody. Specially I want to thank JR, Cruiser, damin69 and Yoster. I promise to come back when I buy a scooter again. That might not take a long. In last two years I have had two 250cc scooters and two motorcycles But at the moment I feel like this motorcycle is a keeper.
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Post by jalat on Sept 26, 2011 0:55:58 GMT -6
JR that all is so much to do that it would be better to buy linhai version at the first place. Much easier now when we know all this Just one HID light makes a really really big change compared to stock bulbs. So this setup really is good enough. Hot grip heaters plus one hid plus cooling fan running.
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Post by jalat on Sept 23, 2011 6:03:13 GMT -6
JR you can try calculate how much total amps are when used two hids, low amp fan and all other leds. Let's forget the heated grips at this point. If you can calculate less than that stock setup 128,7W ~ 10,7 amp then how it is possible that 2 hid's with cooling fan puts charge less than 13V. Use this as a template: with less amp mod (estimated watt values for leds) - HID lights 2* ...W - HID ballasts 2* ...W - led registry plate light 1* ...W - led small driving lights in front 2* ...W - led gauge bulbs 3* ...W - led indicator lights under the gauge 3* ...W - led back lights 2* ...W - Low amp fan 2.33amp = 27,96W totally = ... W ~ ... amp And you can use these led bulbs for your calculations. All of my bulbs are from ebay. I have used those bright smd leds everywhere. gauge lights, registry plate light, small driving lights at front are these W5W bulbs imagehost.vendio.com/a/16952174/aview/T10-1210-4SD-2.jpgled indicator lights are like these W3W bulbs .sixity.com/images/008001369unpackaged.jpg" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">.sixity.com/images/008001369unpackaged.jpgled back lights are like these peraccurate.myweb.hinet.net/images/CM130/PB-CM130R-1156.jpgdon't calculate the load what break bulbs need when breaking. Because the problem is when you are driving normally. Tell me what is your calculation and then let's compare it to stock setup load.
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Post by jalat on Sept 22, 2011 23:53:26 GMT -6
I would not blame you if you said no but one quick question? Is your HID lights hooked up to the battery and of course I'm sure you use a relay? Also by what you said you can turn them totally off, one on or two on so how much trouble would it be to hook up the HID's to the white wire? We know that the white wire will handle the nearly 3 amps of the fan, question is can it handle the watts of your HID's? I presume you are using 35 watt bulbs? JR Yes my HID lights are hooked up to the battery and I use relay. And for another light there is a external switch. I don't believe the white wire can handle the load for two HID light. And because of low wattage it might even blow the ballasts. Let's calculate Original current draw with stock setup:- head lights 2*25W - registry plate light 5W - small driving lights in front 2*3W - gauge bulbs 3*3W - indicator lights under the gauge 3*1,4W - back lights 2*5W - stock fan 3.71amp = 44,5W totally = 128,7W ~ 10,7 ampwith less amp mod (estimated watt values for leds)- HID lights 2*35W - led registry plate light 4,5W - led small driving lights in front 2*2W - led gauge bulbs 3*2W - led indicator lights under the gauge 3*1W - led back lights 2*3W - Low amp fan 2.33amp = 27,96W totally = 121.46W ~ 10,1 ampAs you see with led mod + low amp fan + 2x35W HID lighs the total current draw should be a little bit (0.6 amp) lower than with original components. There should be no problem with battery charge after this mod. In my calculation above I even might have put too high load for led bulbs. But still that led mod wattage is lower than stock. BUT... when people talk about HID lights that they only takes 35W each that is not correct. HID bulbs might take 35W plus the ballasts take also about 10W per each. You can see it for example in here (lowest multimeter) So real led mod calculations should be more like with less amp mod (estimated watt values for leds)- HID lights 2*35W - HID ballasts 2*10W - led registry plate light 4,5W - led small driving lights in front 2*2W - led gauge bulbs 3*2W - led indicator lights under the gauge 3*1W - led back lights 2*3W - Low amp fan 2.33amp = 27,96W totally = 141.46W ~ 11,8 ampNow depending ballast load (10-15W) the led mod current draw is 1.1 - 2.5 ampere more than with stock setup. That is why led mod + low amp fan is not enough So I don't believe there should be any reason to even try to connect HID lights to the white wire. HID lights needs about 7.5 - 8.3 ampere and if the white wire is always almost as low as 12.7V when stock fan is replaced with low amp fan (see my result table) is that 12.7V enough for HID lights? If ballasts does not get enough current they keep noise and might blow up. Soon you will drive without lights. I think HID's should be connected to the battery in every case. And if I use led mod + only one HID + stock fan it takes totally 110W which is less than stock 128.7W. With grip heaters added it is totally near 135-140W which is little less than with led mod. With grip heaters on, one hid light on and cooling fan on charge gets just under 13.2V when idle. But with a little revs it keeps it over 13.2V which is good. So cfmoto can handle about 130-135W total current load with idle. And maybe 135-140W while driving. It is not that much less than with two hid lights on without grip heaters. But too much still. There is no place where one can save more current. Except by removing all led bulbs but is that good enough. Or is that even smart anymore.
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Post by jalat on Sept 22, 2011 13:36:48 GMT -6
Oh boy what a job. Took all day but now it is done. The results are not so good I think now it is proved that there is no possibility to make working combination with 7 wire R/R to give enough charge current while driving with both hid's on and when cooling fan is on. Even that I have replaced all bulbs to led-bulbs. Or even when one would change cooling fan to that Silicone Intake low amp cooling fan. There is not enough current to get you to the positive side. How ever... even with stock R/R there is just enough charge to use one hid + grip heaters HI-position + cooling fan. With that combination I get 13.1-13.3V when idling and more when driving. I believe it is time to give up and just dream about two hid's. Positive thing is that I always have spare bulb with me while driving If first one dies I just turn switch on and another one is on. Eventually one hid is good enough. Two would be ultimate but one is really good. It gets darker every morning and every morning when I ride to work it amaze me more and more. Here are the results. JR you can take copy of this result table and create a pdf file if you want. This might be a huge favor for other people in the future.
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Post by jalat on Sept 22, 2011 5:58:40 GMT -6
I did not change that lower amp fan. The original fan used 3.7 amp when I checked. I bought that Silicone itake systems low amp fan but did not put it on yet. That low amp fan used 2.3 amp when I tested it directly to battery.
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Post by jalat on Sept 21, 2011 22:24:45 GMT -6
Cruiser, I guess you also saw my tutorial how to install grip heater elements? Those elements were the cheap one from ebay. Actually they broke couple of days after install. They never were really hot. A little bit warm, but not hot. I believe they did not took much watts. Earlier I had 600cc Honda Shadow custom bike where I installed grip heater elements using the same way. But those elements were not cheap ebay elements. They were good label 3 state (off-hi-lo) elements and cost about 5-7 times more than ebay cheapos. They were good. When +-0'C the Hi state made your hands sweat. After this I cannot recommend those ebay elements for anyone. Buy good ones. So you don't regret for the weak heat and you don't have to do it again. First you can use HI-state and when hot then move to LO-state and you are satisfied. A few days ago I bought complete grips where was those elements already inside and 3 state also. Damn they are good. And they also takes a lot more wattage than those ebay crap. I did not read amps with multimeter but somehow I remember to read somewhere HI=40W. Which is 3,33 amp. (12W=1amp) That is a lot of current for these scooters. Actually I installed digital lcd volt meter to my scooter and I have ratings all the time. With this 6 wire R/R I saw how much current those good grip heaters take. I had 1 hid on an HI-state on grip heaters and cooling fan on. Volts were 13.0 when idle and something like 13.5 when driving. Just enought for good when driving. Just if any of you guys want to install grip heaters. Buy good ones. Not those cheap chinese 2 state elements. They are only warm and good for already warm day driving. JR thanks for the tips. I take voltages with my multimeter in all of those different situations. Of course I want to help other guys. If this is "the thing" which might help for every cfmoto owners I am really glad that I were the guineapig And if this is good enought for both hid's on, grip heaters on and cooling fan on. I think someone should tell that to the manufacturer. I don't believe they react at all, but if they are smart they use 7 wire R/R someday. But hey... money talks. They save every cent they can. At the moment I am in work. I do my work mostly with computer so most of the time I have possibility to read comments here. Today I just can't wait the moment I get back to home
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Post by jalat on Sept 21, 2011 13:55:35 GMT -6
I just checked those different wiring diagrams and JR you are right. All I need to do for testing is to take a piece of extra wire and connect it to the white wire of R/R and to the fuse connector of cooling fan I will test it tomorrow after work and let you know. And if it works with fan and also charging is good with two hids on and grip heaters on I will order another one for a sparepart We'll know more again tomorrow I am also pretty excited
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Post by jalat on Sept 21, 2011 12:20:43 GMT -6
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Post by jalat on Sept 21, 2011 9:08:43 GMT -6
Today mailman bring me this 7 wire regulator. I decided to try it after winter because it's already too cold now. Just kidding When I got it I run to my scooter with multimeter. I checked the wiring and colours are the same and in same order. Only this white mysterious wire is extra. I put this new R/R on and started the engine. Good start and everything worked. All the electrics were good. I put one xenon light on and let the engine run hot and started to take some readings from R/R coloured wires. Here are the results. wire | fan off - idle | fan off - 5000rpm | fan on - idle | fan on - 5000rpm | red | 14.3V | 14.3V | 14.6V | 14.6V | black | 14.2V | 14.2V | 14.0V | 14.0V | white | 11.3V | 12.1V | 14.7V | 13.7V |
So tell me why this white wire voltage is changing so much when fan turns on? Other wires stay pretty steady no matter is the fan on or off. If the cooling fan wiring will be removed from charging circuit and connected to that white wire, 11.3-12.1V when idling with hot engine might not be enough to keep the fan on? But could it work good enough?
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ARRGGG!!!
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Post by jalat on Sept 19, 2011 13:28:40 GMT -6
Great I hope the scooter is in good condition. And now fix that alarm and do it very first thing when scooter is back home.
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Post by jalat on Sept 15, 2011 8:41:34 GMT -6
I ordered that cheaper one and now we just wait 2-4 weeks. Then we know better
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Post by jalat on Sept 14, 2011 23:07:47 GMT -6
But could there be difference in size? Could another one fit only on some 50-150cc scooter and another 150-250cc? And another says 11 pole. I mean which one should I buy?
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