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Post by jumpinjohn on Aug 4, 2014 13:35:20 GMT -6
Hi, I have a strpped out lever and need a replacement. The one that came on this model is not very well made. Seems like a soft aluminum. Anyone know if I can use a different type? The kick starter may get a lot of use, because I cannot locate a correct replacement starter. (looked at hundreds, see other thread.) Here's what the lever I have looks like.  |
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Post by jumpinjohn on Aug 4, 2014 11:35:03 GMT -6
I still haven't found a correct starter for this scooter. Can anyone help??
I was going to rebuild it, but the armature tested bad, and the brush holder somehow got cracked. eerrr
I've "heard" that the 9 and 10 tooth are interchangeable, but it doesn't make sense to me. Would I need to change the gear inside the engine that the starter engages into?
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Post by jumpinjohn on Jul 20, 2014 16:21:52 GMT -6
Thanks but that GY6 starter bolt holes are too wide.  |
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Post by jumpinjohn on Jul 19, 2014 8:04:26 GMT -6
I tried to count them.I've looked at and counted hundreds, but could not make out that pic. I finally heard back. They paid for return shipping. They said they, may be intechangable, I don't see how. It may easier for me to change the gear/starter clutch?
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Post by jumpinjohn on Jul 18, 2014 13:53:15 GMT -6
Well after them telling me it was 10 splines and submitting an order with specific instruction to make sure again it had 10 splines. It arrived with 9 splines. It's been two days since I've asked them to check if they have one again. Eer I have spent more money in return postage than the starter cost Anyone???Help?  |
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Post by jumpinjohn on Jul 9, 2014 9:48:30 GMT -6
alleyoop The GY6 starter has holes at 70mm from what I have seen. tvnacman I'm not sure if it has a bendix. I know it had a large gear that spun behind the variator when starting. I'll look at home, I may have taken a picture. I did see post/websites saying I might be able to get brushes at a hardware store. I did take the starter apart and try to clean it up inside. Was a real PITA to get the armature past the brushes. Right now the starter sometimes, but sometimes have to turn it by hand a tiny bit to get it to start spinning.
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Post by jumpinjohn on Jul 8, 2014 10:06:11 GMT -6
I cannot find a starter for this scooter. It's a Yamati EuroStrada with a QJ1E40QMB (50cc two-stroke) It seems that every part I have ordered has been wrong. The QJ does make a difference. It looks like the one below, but mine has 10 teeth. Everyone I look at has 9. Mine has a single red wire that goes onto a stud with a nut. The bolt holes are 66mm. I've been trying to fix the scooter for a gal who is disabled and can't walk very far. I was hoping to get it back to her in a day, I have had it for over a month!  Please if you have one, or know where I can purchase one, let me know. If I cannot find one, is it possible to modify it somehow so I could use a 10 tooth? Can I get it rebuilt? I have a new one here now I am getting ready to send back that has the 9 tooth..can just the drive gears be changed?  Thanks, John S |
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Post by jumpinjohn on Jul 2, 2014 15:58:29 GMT -6
According to that diagram, When the key is on, current flows to the brake switches, when squeezed the brake switch allows current to flow to the side of the push button start. When that is pressed current goes to the solenoid. Is it possible my scooter is different than what you speak of? This Yamati QJ seems different in many areas. That's why I keep getting wrong parts. I'm having problems finding a starter for it. Anyone know where I can get one that has 10 teeth and 64mm bolt hole spacing (not 70) John Stuart, Florida 72 BSA-650 Lightning 78 CB-400 Hondamatic 77 Fantac moped |
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Post by jumpinjohn on Jul 2, 2014 13:50:41 GMT -6
Well I just found another issue, that may be causing my trouble.
The new starter has the wrong shaft. The old one had 10 splines, this one is slightly larger with 9.
I hooked up the old one, and it is working most of the time. I guess it has a dead spot on the armature, because if I twist it slightly, it works again. (It was doing that before, I would slightly kick to move it.
I swear just about every part I have ordered for this clone has been close but not right!! eerrrr
So I am going to try to return/exchange this h/o starter. Until then I guess i will quit troubleshooting it.
Happy 4th everyone!
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Post by jumpinjohn on Jul 2, 2014 10:40:18 GMT -6
I'm looking at this, and doesn't it contradict what you told me alleyoop?  |
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Post by jumpinjohn on Jul 2, 2014 9:33:07 GMT -6
Thanks for the thorough explanation. I did not rewire the bike. I went ahead and ordered a solenoid. I would not be surprised if it's shot because it was used a lot. The bike probably spent more time cranking than driving!
If it's not the solenoid, then it must have something to do with the hook-up of the starter button and kill switch. I do know someone had actually physically removed the slide off the kill switch before, and told her not to touch it. I forgot she had told me that long time ago.
It may be helpful if someone could tell me what color wires come up into that plug and where they go. It's funny I have 3-4 of the throttle assemblies and they are all different color setups. I had a hard time getting the correct one for the cable that has the plate and screw to lock it in. Anyway, that connector now has one 12v going in, from what you are saying it should not be +. I'll try to post a pic later.
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Post by jumpinjohn on Jul 1, 2014 17:02:19 GMT -6
Thanks again.
I took it out so cant check it right now, I'll try tomorrow. Do I have to have the harness from the solenoid plugged in while I do that?
Should one of the wires going to the start button have 12v? (As of now I do) If not, could once again the solenoid be sending 12 back down that line if it's bad?
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Post by jumpinjohn on Jul 1, 2014 16:19:27 GMT -6
Yes that is all as it should be. Both are grounded to the bolts holding the coil.
If I jump it, I get the 8v at the starter. 12 if I unhook the wire from the starter
I'm thinking there's something going on inside the solenoid because it is getting hot. From what I have seen the other 2 wires going into the solenoid are a ground, and the positive from the start button. Could something in there be shorted?
Is there a specific test to test it, or is it serviceable at all?
Anyone know how many volts should be going into the small wire into the solenoid (when the start button is pressed)
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