How to upgrade to an 11 pole stator - with a Video By dmartin95 (Read 2,092 times)

[dmartin95]

Hey gang, I purchased an 11 pole stator kit from Buggydepot.com from their holiday sale. There was lot's of questions about how to install it, whether or not it was AC or DC, will the wiring mate up, etc etc....



So I decided to make a video showing just how it's done. This is a 4 part video series with each vid around 10 minutes. Removal - Part 1, Installation - Part 2, Wiring Harness - Part 3 and lastly the starting and final checks.



I haven't had the opportunity to put an ammeter on their and test how much power I have available, but the lights, electrical and scooter spark draws roughly 100 watts and I'm at a steady 14.4v.

If anyone has any tips or tricks I missed, please help out and contribute your advice! 


Anyhow, here's a link to the vids.....

[alleyoop]

Very Nice and very neat installation Martin, good job and thank you for putting up the Videos. Many will eat that up and follow the install. Again Thank you for taking the time and effort to Video the entire install, I know it takes time and effort to do it.
Oh by the way the 2nd Video is marked as private and does not play.
Alleyoop

[JR]

Yes awesome job! If you can get the second video public and don't mind I will add them to our video library here.

JR

[dmartin95]

Dec 25, 2014 12:00:11 GMT -6 alleyoop said:

Very Nice and very neat installation Martin, good job and thank you for putting up the Videos. Many will eat that up and follow the install. Again Thank you for taking the time and effort to Video the entire install, I know it takes time and effort to do it.
Oh by the way the 2nd Video is marked as private and does not play.
Alleyoop

You're most welcome and Thank you for the kind words. I fixed the second video so it is no longer private and thanks for pointing that out! 

[dmartin95]

Dec 25, 2014 14:21:13 GMT -6 JR said:

Yes awesome job! If you can get the second video public and don't mind I will add them to our video library here.

JR

Absolutely!

Without these forums, I wouldn't have been able to make the videos.... I've learned a lot from you guys so I'm making the videos to try and contribute something back.

[JR]

Thanks

JR

[rks]

Super job dmartin95...it will be appreciated by many.

[dmartin95]

Dec 27, 2014 15:57:16 GMT -6 rks said:

Super job dmartin95...it will be appreciated by many.

Thank you! I appreciate the good feedback! 

[dyoung1167]

great post. quick question, is there any difference between the two hot wires? one to the batt. and one to the key sw.? as in, does it realy matter which is which? and what of five wire regulators? only one hot, so would that go to batt. or key and is that the switched (non hot side) or unswitched side?
sorry that became 3 but no need to go into too much detail, i do have a clue but a regulator man i'm not.

[dmartin95]

Dec 31, 2014 14:28:38 GMT -6 dyoung1167 said:

great post. quick question, is there any difference between the two hot wires? one to the batt. and one to the key sw.? as in, does it realy matter which is which? and what of five wire regulators? only one hot, so would that go to batt. or key and is that the switched (non hot side) or unswitched side?
sorry that became 3 but no need to go into too much detail, i do have a clue but a regulator man i'm not.

Red does have to go to your battery. That is your charge wire.

The black wire is the 12v Acc sense.... The purpose of that wire is tell you regulator/rectifier when to charge your battery. Without it hooked up, you can over/under charge your battery. The black wire hooks into Acc wire of the ignition switch. It will most likely be black. 

The 12V Acc is ONLY hot when the ignition switch is turned on. Even though the Black from the R/R ties in, the black wire from the R/R should not be tapped for power. It's a volt sense wire. 

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What 5 wire R/R are you referring to? Show me a pic of the wires/Plug pinout

[dyoung1167]

for some reason i can't get my attachment button to do anything but the 5 wire is 3 yellows, one red and one green. i believe it's meant for an older honda 700cc something.

Ok, so while i understand what you are saying for the Acc wire but....when does this happen? are they constantly alternating, meaning does it stop charging then read voltage - then charge but not check for a certain time. whats confusing is that while charging, the Acc wire is going to read the charging voltage so it would always think it has a good charge

[dmartin95]

Jan 1, 2015 10:06:57 GMT -6 dyoung1167 said:

for some reason i can't get my attachment button to do anything but the 5 wire is 3 yellows, one red and one green. i believe it's meant for an older honda 700cc something.

Ok, so while i understand what you are saying for the Acc wire but....when does this happen? are they constantly alternating, meaning does it stop charging then read voltage - then charge but not check for a certain time. whats confusing is that while charging, the Acc wire is going to read the charging voltage so it would always think it has a good charge

The 5 PIN R/R you're talking about, if it's for a 700cc and not a typical GY6 R/R, it may work completely different. Wire colors can at some times be completely meaningless. I would need to see a wiring diagram or possibly I could tell from a pic, but that's iffy... I'm familiar with a few styles of GY6 125/150cc R/R's, but that's all I've explored so far. 

As far as how the black DC sense wire works, I'm not exactly sure... The wiring diagram listed it as 12v DC Acc sense wire.... The black wire monitors the voltage and/or current flow and dictates how much juice is sent to battery, exactly how it does that, I'm not sure.....

I can add this: I did start the scooter with black wire unhooked and the multi meter could not get any voltage reading... 0.00 on the black wire. Then I put the multi meter on the the battery and watched as she warmed up,... After 10~15 min, my voltage climbed to about 15Volts. I shut the scooter off, hooked the black sense wire into ignition on switch wire (in my harness it's black).. Restarted and I stayed constant at 14.4v. 

[dyoung1167]

just like all other full wave rectifiers it has three wires colored the same(amazing) meaning exactly as the others do. i just wanted to know what the other wires did but for some reason nobody can actually tell me. this voltage sense thing baffles me. i'm a schooled electrician(thank you electricity 101 in high school and electricians "A" school US NAVY) and i KNOW that if the reg puts 14v to the battery, that same red wire that goes to the ignition switch will read 14v. i want to know how this thing magically knows the battery only has 11.5v and still needs charging.

[dmartin95]

Jan 1, 2015 23:38:32 GMT -6 dyoung1167 said:

just like all other full wave rectifiers it has three wires colored the same(amazing) meaning exactly as the others do. 

My Bintelli R/R does not have any wires/pins, it's a plug.... The wires coming from the stator are not yellow, they are orange, my harness wires are also orange (amazing huh?), that's why I did not want to say all are yellow.

 

i just wanted to know what the other wires did but for some reason nobody can actually tell me. this voltage sense thing baffles me. i'm a schooled electrician(thank you electricity 101 in high school and electricians "A" school US NAVY) and i KNOW that if the reg puts 14v to the battery, that same red wire that goes to the ignition switch will read 14v. i want to know how this thing magically knows the battery only has 11.5v and still needs charging.

I am not sure, but it may be that it measures the current like an ammeter and tells the R/R when to apply more current..... Like I said, I can not tell you exactlly how it works.... Only that I hooked it up per the wiring diagrams and it works.... Without the black wire it was over charging... So, if you find an answer, be sure to share because I'm sorting taking a WAG on this one.... 

[dyoung1167]

i think you are right on the current idea. the older style without does the same thing but maybe the extra wire makes it more efficient, don't know but i don't believe the ones without overcharged either (not saying it's not needed if it's there, obviously it is) we shall see and i shall post. thanks