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Post by alleyoop on Jul 17, 2014 18:41:56 GMT -6
Ok you were the one giving it gas, and it is bogging, CAN YOU GET at the FUEL RATIO SCREW while it is RUNNING? If so START it up let it IDLE and turn this SCREW 1/4 AT A TIME COUNTER CLOCKWISE. AND AFTER EVERY 1/4 TURN try giving it THROTTLE and see if it stops the bogging. Alleyoop  |
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Post by Mimi on Jul 17, 2014 21:24:43 GMT -6
I just tried to start the bike to no avail..it does not turn over. I tried adjusting the idle screw several times but it didn't help...I don't understand how at times I can the bike to start right away, even 3 or 4 times in a row..then I get nothing. .something is not making sense. .
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Post by alleyoop on Jul 17, 2014 21:34:51 GMT -6
Turn this screw 1/2 turn COUNTER CLOCKWISE. And see if it acts better. |
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Post by Mimi on Jul 17, 2014 22:26:13 GMT -6
Ok. I will try again tomorrow. .Im started to get frustrated. ..
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Post by Mimi on Jul 17, 2014 22:41:23 GMT -6
How do I clean the carb? It cant hurt to clean it...
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Post by alleyoop on Jul 17, 2014 23:20:34 GMT -6
IF TURNING THE FUEL RATIO MIXTURE SCREW ON THE CARD IN EITHER DIRECTION DOES NOT CHANGE THE IDLE THEN THE PILOT JET IS CLOGGED AS WELL AS THE TINY FUEL OUTLETS BY THE BUTTERFLY. THEN YOU HAVE NO OPTION BUT TO CLEAN THE CARB: Take the carb off or loosen the Clamps and rotate it and take the carb bowl off. Then take Carb Cleaner they come with a thin straw and STICK IT IN the PILOT JET hole and SPRAY. Spray should then come out by the Pilot Jet outlets in PIC #2. Also Spray into the MAIN JET and Spray from there will come out by PIC #3. Alleyoop PIC #1:  PIC #2: When you spray into the PILOT JET SPRAY WILL COME OUT FROM THE PILOT JET FUEL OUTLETS BY THE BUTTERFLY:  PIC #3: When you spray into the MAIN JET SPRAY WILL COME OUT BY THE NEEDLE AND NEEDLE GUIDE: THE MAIN JET IS:  |
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Post by Mimi on Jul 18, 2014 0:28:41 GMT -6
Well this will on the agenda for tomorrow. ...FYI when outside and the bike started right up. I tried again and I got nothing. .This is what I'm trippin on..How can you start once but the next time I try she sits there like a virgin on her prom date...lol..
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Post by alleyoop on Jul 18, 2014 13:48:20 GMT -6
It is just not adjusted right and it could be due to the PILOT JET BEING CLOGGED. BUT YOU CAN TEST to see if the PILOT JET is clogged, START IT UP and let it idle for FIVE MINUTES do not touch it. THEN get you lovely screwdriver and TURN the FUEL RATIO MIXTURE SCREW CLOCKWISE ((( 1/4 TURNS WAIT 5 SECONDS TURN IT AGAIN WAIT 5 SECOND TURN and keep on doing that) NOW WHILE DOING THIS PAY ATTENTION TO HOW THE MOTOR RUNS. DOES IT CHANGE IDLE DROPPING DOWN OR GETTING FASTER ETC.. IN OTHER WORDS WHILE turning the FUEL RATIO screw (IS IT!!!) EFFECTING how the motor runs. IF you can do that and LET ME KNOW THE RESULTS that would HELP to see IF YOUR PILOT JET IS CLOGGED OR NOT and whether you NEED to CLEAN the CARB or NOT. BUT CAN YOU FOLLOW INSTRUCTIONS is my question? I asked you to turn the FUEL RATIO SCREW and you went and messed with the IDLE SPEED SCREW and that will have an EFFECT on how the motor starts or NOT START. It was starting pretty good with the IDLE SPEED SCREW where it was set and needed minor adjustment to the FUEL RATIO SCREW to stop the bogging BUT you messed with the idle screw and now we have TWO THINGS to deal with instead of just one. I AM A VERY PATIENCE MAN BUT I DO HAVE MY LIMITS, SO LISTEN UP PROM QUEEN, FOLLOW INSTRUCTIONS so we can close this SAGA OUT. Then you can ride up and down the Main Vegas Strip waving to all the Casino Losers  Know Vegas very well the company I used to work for we used to have a lot of conferences all over, the Big Easy, San Fran, LA, Vegas, Orlando to name a few also used to make 2-3 trips a year there stay 3 nights Friday, Sat, Sunday then on Monday fly out to San Fran rent a car and drive down highway 1 down to Monterrey and stay in Carmel. Now no need to go to Vegas to the Casinos, they have a Vegas type Casino in Milwaukee Wisconsin only an hour and a half drive so we go there  Alleyoop |
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Post by Mimi on Jul 18, 2014 17:48:45 GMT -6
Got the bike idling today. While is was idling I tryed turning the fuel screw but that didn't fix the bogging down. But once again I tried to start it up again I got nnothing. Whay is causing this?
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Post by Mimi on Jul 18, 2014 17:58:15 GMT -6
Yes this Prom Queen can follow directios. I got this far by listening to you..when I had it idling today I was adjusting the fuel screw counter clockwise. I never noticed a difference. .I far from stupid but this damn bike mmakes me feel stupid. .I know tthat I close to getting it fixed but damn can a bitch catch a break?
You Mr.Prom King hasn't explained to me when sometimes it start right up & other times I get nothing?
The Royal Queen will await you answer. .lol
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Post by alleyoop on Jul 18, 2014 18:46:29 GMT -6
For a motor to start with like 1 or 2 hits on the start button(which is what you aim to have), the mixture and idle speed screw have to be almost right on. That is because as it ATTEMPTS to start it has to draw the right amount of fuel and air. (1) to much fuel and it may flood out the spark (2) not enough and it cannot create a good explosion to keep the piston going. So for starts the mixture and butterfly have to be set pretty good, otherwise you will have a motor that you have to crank and crank before it starts. When a motor is already nice and warm or hot if the mixture and idle(amount the butterfly is open or closed) is good they will usually start up right now. SO if it starts good when cold and not so good when hot that right there tells you the settings are not correct. Now when cold you are getting EXTRA fuel from the ENRICHER so it is important to have the mixture good so after the extra fuel is shut off the amount of fuel from just the PILOT jet is set correctly and enough for it to start without having the extra fuel from the ENRICHER. Motors need more fuel when cold and less when hot. SO IN YOUR CASE since you were so nice enough to turn the screw left and or right and it DID NADA that means the PILOT JET is CLOGGED so it is time to get down and dirty and clean out the PILOT JET like I mentioned above and the pictures of where the SPRAY should come out. Then with the passages cleared up fuel will be sucked out of those outlets and turning the FUEL RATIO screw will EFFECT the idle. It will make it go higher and also make it go lower and then we will be able to take the BOGGING out. Right now it bogs because of not enough fuel and since the pilot jet and or tiny fuel outlets by the butterfly are clogged turning the fuel ratio to feed it more fuel is doing nothing it is hard to start sometimes After it being started several times cold when it is getting helped with more fuel from the enricher. But once the Enricher cuts off the extra fuel it has a harder time starting due to more fuel needed. That is why I always recommend people get a cheap tach, A tach is very important for tuning a motor as well it can tell you the past present and future, its your crystal ball. Once you get a motor running great you will notice the rpms it is producing and what the RPMS are at 20, 30, 40 ,50 etcc.. When something starts to go south you will notice that now at different speeds the rpms have changed quite a bit either higher or lower than before etc.. 50ccs and 150ccs like to idle around 1500-1800 rpms it all depends on the amount of compression the motor has but without a tach you are just guessing what it is idling at to help tune the carb and idle speed. Alleyoop  ..KNOWS |
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Post by Mimi on Jul 20, 2014 18:14:26 GMT -6
Well I go the carb out and used carb cleaner every where you said it go..everything flowed like it said. .Now its trying to put the jackass back together... Its frustrating*...I had to take a break. Is there a video that might help me?
Thanx Alleyoop
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Post by alleyoop on Jul 20, 2014 19:24:21 GMT -6
I don't know what you took apart so here is a Video from start to finish. But I am sure you did not take it fully apart just the carb bowl off and maybe the jets out and sprayed into the holes and watched where the spray comes to.
Alleyoop
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Post by Mimi on Jul 21, 2014 23:23:12 GMT -6
Got the carb all cleaned & put back together but now I can't get gas in the fuel filter...
WTF!!!#'
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Post by alleyoop on Jul 21, 2014 23:41:09 GMT -6
Did you connect the SHORT VACUUM HOSE FROM THE INTAKE MANIFOLD back up to the "T". Then one hose goes over the other side of the carb and the other hose goes to the pump.
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..BAD TO THE BONE..
