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Post by justbuggin2 on Nov 15, 2012 23:11:29 GMT -6
well yesterday i got a ticket for not wearing my seat belt how does me not wearing a seat belt harm anyone else i think it is infringing on my rights whether or not i wear the stupid thing it is just a way for the states to get fed money for roads if i was wearing my seat belt the day i had my car wreck i would not be here now i hate seat belts and the stupid law that says i have to wear one
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Post by justbuggin2 on Nov 15, 2012 23:56:10 GMT -6
i can understand a child or young driver below the age of concent having to wear the seat belt but i dont see where the goverment has the right to tell me i have to wear it
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Post by terrilee on Nov 16, 2012 8:46:54 GMT -6
now this i find funny
the great (?) Commonwealth of PA
decided that everyone in a car needs to be belted
ok i see that.
then a few years later
they made helmets on m/c's, etc optional.
wait a minute
in a CAGE where u r alot more protected if UN belted
YOU MUST WEAR A BELT
but on 2 wheels , where ur way more vulnerable
you DONT have to wear a helmet???
WTF  ?? 
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Post by JR on Nov 16, 2012 9:10:13 GMT -6
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Post by wheezy on Nov 16, 2012 9:42:34 GMT -6
I was in an accident as a teen that, had I not worn a belt, would have been fatal. I was driving, and was t-boned by a station wagon doing about 45, which crushed the passenger door to within 6 inches of me. I walked away without a scratch.
Having said that, I have always had a problem with government thinking they are a better parent. From seat belts to helmets, they come up with some laws that protect me from myself. I don't think that's what government is for. Of course, it's all about $afety. These click-it-or-ticket campaigns are merely a ruse to create an otherwise illegal roadblock, which then gives them license to stop any driver and check their papers.
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Post by terrilee on Nov 16, 2012 10:31:07 GMT -6
JR
i have always had the same thoughts about school buses.
but if the facts in that article ARE correct
then i guess they really dont need seat belts
and again, how many of the kids would wear it
or even know the proper way to wear one?
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Post by bobf on Nov 16, 2012 14:11:13 GMT -6
Safety in crashes is why I resist this modern effort to reduce the size of our cars. I have always liked the full size cars that most companies put out. Ford, GM, Chrylser all put out full size cars that got some very good safety reports in the insurance companies crash tests. Now for lower gas usage those larger and very safe cars are being dropped to the next lower level. Unfortunately those lower levels of cars don't provide the same safety that the larger cars did. Even though the smaller size cars like Tempo, Sable, get good reports on the crash tests they come out to be less safe than the Marquee or Lincoln full size cars did. Those cars were measured in their class but not compared size by size. All were reported as is, that is all. The larger cars had better weight and that helps when in a two car crash with lighter weight vehicles. There is a bit more room in the larger cars which means the passengers have and extra moment to slow down before hitting the door or roof or seat ahead. If the crash is of a truck then the wheels may just climb over the smaller cars and crush everything but with the taller full size cars that may not be possible.
To me safety is all relative. Good for one incident and bad for another. Reducing our car sizes for gas consumption is a joke as safety is then reduced. Which is worse, paying more for gas or getting killed because the car is smaller in size and weight?
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Post by justbuggin2 on Nov 17, 2012 2:09:09 GMT -6
it does not matter whether or not it is safer to wear a seat belt or not it is another FREEDOM that we have lost due to government making laws to control us against ourselves just look closely to all the laws that are on the books that tell us we can not do that has no effect on anybody but ourselves if we let this to continue we will no longer be a free country
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Post by wolfhound on Nov 17, 2012 6:00:02 GMT -6
The seat belt law, I suspect, was sponsored by insurance companies to cut their losses. I am not against them, just object to being forced to wear
them. As for helmet laws, I am for them. Only a foolish or suicidal person would not wear a helmet when riding. Sadly we are no longer a free
country now.
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Post by damin69 on Nov 19, 2012 8:38:12 GMT -6
I am in the opinion since I have kids it is best to Lead by example. I have always enforced the kids putting their seatbelts on as soon as they get in the car and they see me put mine on. My kids are getting to the age where they are starting to drive and If I was to not wear my seat belt after making them put theirs on the odds are they would go without them as soon as they are away from me just for the fact they would just plain say well you dont wear yours why should I wear mine.
Another prime example of Parents not making their kids wear seat belts because the mother did not always wear hers and she got tired of fighting with her daughter to put hers on. Well mother is driving down the road and a 16 year old girl driving Mini van crosses Center line hits that mother head on. The only one Injured and IN CRITICAL condition is the 13 year old girl the mother had let go with out. She went Head first out through the Windshield and landed head first on the Pavement.
Though I still feel that is is a persons Choice and should not be Law and government should stay out of our lives. I do believe people should wear them.
Another good example is Semi driver has someone slam on the breaks in front of him he has to swerve around and it jars him enough that it tosses him out of the seat. Now he has ZERO control over this 80,000 lbs vehicle who knows where it is going to end up? Ditch and only that semi drive hurt or back on the the busy highway into lots of people? I know even if he is wearing his belt this could happen also but if he is strapped to the seat there is a better chance of him maintaining control. Period.
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Post by wolfhound on Nov 20, 2012 5:34:21 GMT -6
Well said, Damin.
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Post by JR on Nov 20, 2012 6:51:58 GMT -6
I'll also say well said Damin. Here's my problem with the seat belts and it's the very belts themselves.
For every single crash one can see that a seat belt was the deciding factor of one being alive I can show you ones becasue of seat belts they are dead.
Example in my own family history. I have a sister that is alive today because she did not have one on and BTW she does wear hers now. She was going down the road one hot summer day years ago in a Toyota Corolla and a red wasp entered her car and she forgot about driving and started a fight with the wasp.
Result? She crossed the median and ducked under a semi flatbed trailer. It cut the top off of the Corolla like a saw and threw her out on impact. She slid down the road about 120ft and it literally destroyed her hips. After 3 days my father flew her to the Mayo clinic and they spent over 3 days in around the clock surgery rebuilding her hips a piece at a time and the results were incredible especially since it was in 1976. Had she stayed in the car she would be gone to this day.
I had a baby sister that one night decided to come in from college at Conway to see my folks and fell asleep and ran off the road and bottomed out head on into the bottom of a creek less than 5 miles from home. The impact crushed her lungs against the steering wheel and she died 13 days later. I have no doubt had she had her belt on she would be here today.
My problem personally with the belts especially in old cars is the design and countless mechanical failures of the belts such as freezing up and one not being able to unlock one in a panick crisis such as the car being on fire or a vehicle that has all of a sudden became engulfed in water such as a flood. In these situations of distress and pannick one needs to be able to quickly remove a belt especially on car seat belted in children.
There are stories of actual people dying due to mechanical failure of a seat belt, not the belt failing to save a person but a belt the cause of the death. IMO this is unacceptable.
With our talents we should be able to economically make a belt that has minimized seat belt failure risk to the best it can be done. No one design is 100% bullet proff but we can do better and when it comes to saying seat belts are safer then there should never be a news flash happen where you see people drug out of a lake or river and drowned because the seat belt would not unlock. You should never see a person lost in a car fire that was locked into a firey death due to a failed seat belt and this has happened. It was mentioned about insurance companies pushing belts, this is so IMO too so I think every insurance company should be required to do annual seat belt inspections to insure all the vehicles they insure have mechanically functioning seat belts in the vehicle. They should hold seminars on how to properly seat belt in a child car seat and how to properly seat belt in a pregnant mother etc. If you're going to promote a device for safety you should promote proper instructions and inspections of possible mecahanical failure IMO.
Laws for or against? Where do we draw the line? I'm for laws to seat belt in children becasue kids don't make the right choices as kids and as an adult it's our responsibility to give them the best odds of survival in crashes and I do believe they do more good than harm.
As a adult I think I should be held accountable to only myself, if I lose my life due to my choice to not wear one then I only effected myself to the most degree and I did not make a decision that could have harmed anyone but myself.
Damin mentioned his kids starting to drive. So if laws were passed that only kids had to lawfully have on belts then where do we say they are not kids any more?
JR
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Post by terrilee on Nov 20, 2012 7:29:20 GMT -6
JR
u make some very good points.
BUT
heres the thing
u never know which time the belt is gonna
save u, or kill u.
i do think they need to make belts with a LARGE release button,
like in race / drag cars.
and the govt. making you, ?
well its sorta like football,
they keep making rules to make it safer for the players
but they are ruining the game.
Who's right??
im not sure
BUT i do know that for every person a belt saves,
theres going to be somebody who said it killed my son, sis, mom, dad
so where do we draw the line.?
i actually think belts are the best thing going and we should all wear 'em, till they design a better belt type system.
JR sorry for ur losses
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Post by mauiboy on Nov 25, 2012 0:58:49 GMT -6
I am in the opinion since I have kids it is best to Lead by example. I have always enforced the kids putting their seatbelts on as soon as they get in the car and they see me put mine on. My kids are getting to the age where they are starting to drive and If I was to not wear my seat belt after making them put theirs on the odds are they would go without them as soon as they are away from me just for the fact they would just plain say well you dont wear yours why should I wear mine. Another prime example of Parents not making their kids wear seat belts because the mother did not always wear hers and she got tired of fighting with her daughter to put hers on. Well mother is driving down the road and a 16 year old girl driving Mini van crosses Center line hits that mother head on. The only one Injured and IN CRITICAL condition is the 13 year old girl the mother had let go with out. She went Head first out through the Windshield and landed head first on the Pavement. Though I still feel that is is a persons Choice and should not be Law and government should stay out of our lives. I do believe people should wear them. Another good example is Semi driver has someone slam on the breaks in front of him he has to swerve around and it jars him enough that it tosses him out of the seat. Now he has ZERO control over this 80,000 lbs vehicle who knows where it is going to end up? Ditch and only that semi drive hurt or back on the the busy highway into lots of people? I know even if he is wearing his belt this could happen also but if he is strapped to the seat there is a better chance of him maintaining control. Period. Very well put. I agree it should be a choice, except for kids but that it is sensible to wear one. It drives me mad seeing all the kids in the back of pickups around here. A few a year die, they simply don't stand a chance in an accident. I don't understand how there is a law saying the person inside the nice safe cab has to wear one but the kids in the bed don't? |
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Post by terrilee on Nov 25, 2012 7:43:46 GMT -6
Now you all know im the "crazy cat lady at the top of hill"
RIGHT?
well all this talk about seat belts brings up another thing.
Pets, especially dogs, riding in cars.
100's of years ago, a friend of mine used to take her lil
puppy dog in the car all the time.
She was in a low speed accident, no prob for her,
but the poor lil pup got thrown everywhere.
Had to have a bunch of surgeries, etc etc.
i always yell something like, 'wow u really hate ur dog dont u"
when i see a pup not belted in a car.
Some people have yelled back at me,
and when i explain, how they become missiles inside a car,
even in a low speed accident, some people have even thanked me
because they never thought of it.
SO ALWAYS MAKE SURE YOU "BELT" YOUR PET
or put 'em in a carrier.
otherwise, you really dont like 'em
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