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Post by scootforfun on May 7, 2012 13:36:31 GMT -6
Yep, until we shoot some clear pictures of all this and get them to you, I am done with this thing. Will probably be at least this weekend, so just table this for now JR, and thanks for your help. We'll be in touch, with pics either over the weekend or later, but sometime in the next couple of weeks. In the meantime, I am working on the LH300, to make it better. The fricken battery deal fell through, and they had to cancel the order cause they apparently DID NOT have a good one in stock. It's a popular battery, and apparently sells well. But that ties up my funds now for at least 5 days through the bank refund process. GOD that irks me. I still want to go double bi-xenon on my bike, and I am still keeping my stock 35W's on the headlights until I can sort that out. But that's another thread, so let's stay on topic here. Table this thread until we get the pics.
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Post by scootforfun on May 7, 2012 0:59:05 GMT -6
Oh, and btw cruiser, that pic is different than what his R/R looks like. The multipin wires come in from the top, not sides. And JR, while the YY250T-2 bike you posted appears to have a similar body style to Dave's jonway, there are some differences. The muffler is different, there is no speakers on board, and a few other things. But if it is specified as a YY250T-2, the engine components are probably very close to his. And yup, look at the R/R in this diagram: .shenkemotor.com/partsDetail.asp?id=121" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">.shenkemotor.com/partsDetail.asp?id=121That appears to match his. Note the five wires in the multipin. THose diagrams, for the most part, are the closest thing I have seen yet about his bike, so I am very glad you found that link JR, thanks.
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Post by scootforfun on May 7, 2012 0:49:26 GMT -6
JR, it's a 5-wire R/R, not 6. I did check that much out today when we had the panels off. And just to be clearer, because so much is unclear, I mean there are five wires in the main multipin going into the R/R. However, there are also three other wires attached to the casing of the R/R. It's clear we are going to have to shoot a lot of pics of this thing next time we disassemble, and I am just kicking myself for not already having done it. By now you would have probably identified more clearly what components are on his scoot. I shoot pics for my LH300 any time I am in disassembly mode. I too want to know why I showed high 13's when I strapped the multimeter over the wires going to the battery terminals once his engine was running without the battery connected. I did not see you explain the reason for that. I mean how could the system not be charging right if 1) it's running on its own with out the battery connected, 2) if the leads show 13.8+ volts? I interpreted that as the system charging properly. Maybe that's wrong. It also just so happens that he has the exact battery I purchased, but have not used permanently yet on my bike, (I believe I still have the OEM battery on board my LH300)- because that new battery never held charge for me. It died the day after I had charged it fully with the BTJR. Wouldn't even turn my engine over after just a day of sitting on the bike after a full, solid green charge on the BTJR. And so I am wondering now if all along it wasn't just his battery dying, and on the way out. And we are talking about a PowerSonic PTZ10S, to be exact. I will not be ordering that battery ever again, and I just ordered a newer AGM technology 10AH, 140 CCA battery. To be exact, this one: .dealsourcedirect.com/ubc43020.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">.dealsourcedirect.com/ubc43020.htmlI will be towing a whopping 19AH between two batteries on my LH300. Yeah, I am serious about not getting stuck 100 miles or more away from home. ;D Posted so just in case you need a new battery, Dave, there's the link. Best in stock price I found.
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Post by scootforfun on May 6, 2012 14:49:35 GMT -6
wow, talk about total luck out...We discovered the R/R was disconnected. Problem solved. Tested at 13.89. Not sure if we did it, or the shop he had it in recently forgot to connect it back. But who cares, we're back on the road, and going now to put his bike under a more stressful test for the overheating, which we believe is also fixed. We'll know more in about a couple hours. And JR, his bike does indeed run with the battery disconnected. We tested that too, once the R/R was plugged back up and started the engine. Now a bizzare problem: he shut the key off, and the engine kept running till he hit the kill switch.
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Post by scootforfun on May 4, 2012 21:27:13 GMT -6
;D
What is it with you and sourcing parts direct from China?
Item location: HONG KONG, Hong Kong
That thermostat you found last time for Daven68 was in Hong Kong too. Now if you want to wait a month to get a part, good luck... I prefer to deal nearly always with US vendors. But yeah, them's are the ones. The ceramics are better than the plastic ones, too. They are available from any number of vendors in the states. Ebay's got a filter for USA only.
I should start making up high quality wiring harnesses with the ceramics, all ready to just plug and go for the LH300's/Diamo300's and start selling them on ebay to help out the scooter owners who want to do this mod.
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Post by scootforfun on May 4, 2012 15:49:07 GMT -6
Two 3-prong H4 plugs are already present with the stock wiring that connect to the bulbs. The problem is that there are only two wires present in each of those plugs, and H4 bulbs have three pins. And that is why I am saying that a new pin should be added- or, alternatively, I suppose you could just purchase two new H4 plugs with short pigtails already wired, and then deal with splicing the hots. That would certainly make life easier, instead of trying to find just a single pin that will go into the H4 connectors.
I just got back and bought a 20 amp toggle switch, and am going to interrupt my low beam circuit so I can start the bike without the lights on. I don't like that much unneeded draw on the battery at startup, when you need those cranking amps for the starter.
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Post by scootforfun on May 4, 2012 10:40:11 GMT -6
Thanks a million, JR for all your help! ScootMaster Supreme. In addition to the basic circuit and the instructions you provided, there are some other things people should know to make this easier: 1) There are only two wires in the stock wiring supplied to each bulb. Therefore to achieve this setup, and do it right, a new pin with the right quick disconnect terminal should be added to the multipin connector on each bulb, along with a new wire, to achieve the hot taps to make both bulbs light up. 2) I would suggest the wiring to be cut be done down below in the front where the main multipin feeds the two light bulbs. And to do that, it is easiest to pull off the entire front end. That point provides also a place to mount the relay, which can be mounted by screw or wiretie to the metal subframe, which you will see once the front fairing is off. 3) While the relay and new 14 gauge wire support the additional load, there is still the problem of the max load on the charging system. Jim at Sunright felt that the system could probably handle a 70 watt draw with the double beam stock bulbs, but he had real concerns about trying to use 55/60w bulbs and then doubling up bulbs on those too- which is what I had done. 120 watts in double high beam is clearly too much, and he felt that it would shorten the lifespan of the R/R and stator, not to mention discharge the battery. For that reason I have reinstalled my stock 35W bulbs for now, but kept the double on wiring, so I am still getting both bulbs on at once in both high and low beams. 4) My end goal after all this is to achieve a double bulb on situation, except using bi-xenon 35W bulbs. The problem there is they require ballasts, and I am not sure I can just jump the pins the same way as with the halogens, because the xenons require a huge amp draw to start up, and then they normalize down to about a 3 amp draw each. That huge startup requirement I have a feeling is going to be a problem, and at a minimum a master kill switch I feel would be needed, so that the lights are not on when starting up the motor. I have no clear answers at the moment if a double on bi-xenon setup is even possible at all. And I also have the feeling that if it is possible, it will take a master kill switch for each bulb, and they will be needed to be fired up one at a time, AFTER the motor has started.
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Post by scootforfun on May 1, 2012 15:03:44 GMT -6
linhai300, just keep in mind you are dealing with a distributor, and not a dealer, and there is a difference. Sometimes they will take longer to ship things, and sometimes you just gotta call up and say "Yo Jim, you promised me that part three weeks ago- any chance you can get that out soon, buddy?" And he'll usually be on it... It says what Jim's extension is at the first message, and he often picks up the phone himself...
And there are big advantages, in the long term, for dealing directly with the distributor. Be happy that you can with Linhai, cause for just about every other brand, you are going to deal with dealers and pay more. So in return, cut them a bit of slack...but stay on them if you haven't received your part yet. Do it nicely and you will be happy in the long term with them- I certainly am.
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Post by scootforfun on Apr 30, 2012 20:00:24 GMT -6
Stick with it, linhai300! This sounds to me like on your particular bike, the cruddy Chinese coolant problem bit you a bit harder than most. When I went to drain the coolant out of my LH300 after 5000 miles, it was near black. I flushed the system out until the water ran clear, replaced the thermostat, and replaced the coolant with 50/50 Dex cool. But I never did have the overheating issues you had. I don't have any trouble with the gas gauge either. But yeah, get the kinks worked out because you are going to love that thing when all is right. And get to know Jim at Sunright, the distributor. Super great guy, patient, and very knowledgeable.
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Post by scootforfun on Apr 24, 2012 16:15:54 GMT -6
The YY250T-2 has a radiator. It has coolant. And yet it considered air cooled? And how can his be a GY6 then if it is 250cc, and the GY6's only go up to 150cc? Yes, more confusion. Some of these parts dealers keep referring to the YY250T-2 also as a GY6, with parts that are supposed to fit the YY250T-2. Dave tried emailing Jonway to ask about a service manual, and not only will they not email him back at all, but you can't access those manuals unless you are a dealer.
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Post by scootforfun on Apr 24, 2012 13:51:25 GMT -6
JR, could you possibly explain what the "GY6" designation actually means? That is another source of confusion for me.
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Post by scootforfun on Apr 23, 2012 17:26:37 GMT -6
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Post by scootforfun on Apr 23, 2012 13:17:05 GMT -6
Hi cruiser, I am the friend helping daven68 try to resolve this problem. And honestly, while I am somewhat mechanically inclined, and tend to work on my own vehicles when I can, I am really not all that knowledgeable when it comes to scooters. But I am learning, and do have a 2006 Linhai 300 SuperStrada I have done some work on a bit. His bike is another animal though, with a different engine. One thing he didn't mention yet is that when we were taking the thing apart, we discovered what appeared to be some kind of air type line that runs to the TOP of the gas tank. It had a major tear in it. Looked like it had been pinched and ripped somehow on assembly. It is connected to a little round plastic piece of some kind, with another similar line coming out from the other side of it. It appears to me to be some kind of vaccum line or something, but not sure. Do you know what this is? In any case, there was enough slack in the line for us to cut it clean, past the tear, and then remount it on the plastic round piece. We did that. I am just wondering if that line was cut and it was some kind of vacuum line, if it could have been causing the fuel mixture to run lean, and possibly causing this overheating problem? I read somewhere else that this can happen. Thing is, after all that has been done with the fan replacement and coolant flushing and all, I am really starting to wonder, given that the bike only overheats after running it on the road for more than 20 or 30 minutes, if it wasn't the cooling system at all causing this. But we make take your advise and not run it without the thermostat to see. What you said makes sense.
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