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Post by bbunce1 on Apr 8, 2014 20:35:08 GMT -6
Just wondering if anyone else has experienced high temperatures due to stop and go traffic and warmer temperatures. The fan seems to be working but it got up to 1/2 on the temp gauge.
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Post by bbunce1 on Mar 31, 2014 21:03:53 GMT -6
I think it should be ok since I covered the area with lots of electrical tape and then zip tied everything to ensure it won't unravel. I rode the scooter about 25 miles today (12 miles each way) to work. I've never taken this scooter above 50 mph because it is still relatively new and the manual says to keep it under 40 or 45 at this point. (700 miles) I'm also not comfortable going above that because the shocks aren't very good. Also, I've already nearly been hit with a blow tire and bottle someone threw out their car. I did get hit with an piece of plastic that come off a car into my leg going at about 45 mph. Got a nice little bruise from that. I could feel the hot air coming from the radiator when the fan kicked on but never actually heard it this morning. The temp was only about 45 with a stiff breeze and the temperature gauge never got above 5/16. On the way home, I got up to 50 mph and the temp was around 70 with no breeze. The gauge crept up to 3/8 but that was when I was stopped at a traffic light. When I got home, I turned the engine off then turned the scooter on and could hear the fan going strong. I am going to try again on the plastics on Thursday. Just want to be careful and not break anything by being to forceful. Thank you for your help.
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Post by bbunce1 on Mar 30, 2014 19:16:46 GMT -6
Update: I followed ellpee's instructions and it tested good. The guy at the electric shop was also very helpful. After I put most of the pieces back on the scooter, I took it out for a 15 mile ride at about 40-45 mph. The gauge never went more than a little above 1/4 on the gauge. The weather here in Florida was about 65 with winds 20-25 mph. So the electrical problem seems to be fixed. I am going to make an emergency kit with cable and tools just in case I have overheating issues again. (cable that goes from battery straight to fan) Of course that won't help me if the fan goes bad. I am going to take it for a ride again tomorrow to sub teach at a school that is about 8 miles away. The only issue I have now is putting the scooter completely back together. Some of the holes aren't lining up between the back plastic and center. (hole closest to the battery) I probably just need to put some pressure on the pieces to get them lined up. Until I get that done I can't put the side plastics back on. Probably will wait until next weekend just to take a break. I'll take that time to also ensure all the screws are still good and tight. . At least mechanically, everything is working thanks to all y'alls help. I feel like I can handle just about any issue that comes up with your support.
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Post by bbunce1 on Mar 29, 2014 19:15:36 GMT -6
Yeah, that's what I've been thinking too. Better do it right because eventually it will come loose again. I've never been very good at making wires so I might take it to an electric shop for them to make me a wire with all the connections. I'll just bring them the faulty wire and ask them to duplicate it. Hopefully that won't be to expensive.
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Post by bbunce1 on Mar 29, 2014 13:33:08 GMT -6
Update: I found the problem! After reinstalling the thermo switch and radiator, I ran the scooters engine and it began to reheat again. I played with the pins a little still nothing. Then I followed the wire up to where it was tied to the bundle of wires that goes to the front powering the dash and headlights. I kind of smooched all the wires together and the fan started working. The scooter then cooled down to about 1/2 on the gauge which is a little warmer than when I was riding in the winter. Probably because the weather here is warmer now too. I wrapped the wires tighter and zipped tied the problem area so it won't be loose. Next I plan to put some of the pieces back on the scooter, like the seat, )so I can test ride it around the block. I hope the scooters overheating issue hasn't caused any engine damage. I did notice some non-oily black specs in the coolant. The idle is a little high at 2200 rpms too so that might be another reason it is warmer. Since everything is still off the scooter, I'll try to lower that to about 1700-1800 rpms which is what the factory setting is supposed to be. I will keep you updated and thanks again for your help.
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Post by bbunce1 on Mar 29, 2014 9:28:03 GMT -6
Thanks
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Post by bbunce1 on Mar 29, 2014 7:43:26 GMT -6
Thank you guys again and sorry if I am fuzzy on all this. I am definitely a student when it comes to working on mechanical things. I will test out the thermo switch today first by touching the leads and seeing if the fan comes on. If the fan comes on, need a need thermo switch. If it doesn't, then I'll check whether or not it is getting voltage once the scooter warms up.
I don't completely follow you on this part. In my mind there is no voltage from the battery to the fan; it has to pass through the thermoswitch first. Maybe we're just saying the same thing different ways. Can you clarify? I am still trying to figure it out so what I said earlier is incorrect. I will tinker with it some more and explain it. Thanks again guys.
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Post by bbunce1 on Mar 28, 2014 21:24:22 GMT -6
I tested the thermo switch and it was ok. The only thing I haven't checked is the voltage going to the switch. I hope that's the issue becuase I'm out of ideas.I am thinking about getting a rechargeable battery and then connect it to the fan. I'm guessing the temperature will stay low as long as the fan runs and the battery doesn't die.
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Post by bbunce1 on Mar 28, 2014 21:01:41 GMT -6
Update: Voltage from the battery to the fan was good. I removed the plug connection from the battery. That was good. Then I plugged the ends back together and still had 12v on the fan plug side. The fan works very good too after hot wiring it from the battery. I then burped the radiator again just to make sure that wasn't the problem. To burp the radiator, I let it get real cold, then remove the cap. I start the scooter and wait until the coolant is almost coming out the top. Recheck after it gets really cold and add coolant as necessary to fill it to the top. Then put the top back on. Let me know if that is the wrong procedure. The last time I did it I couldn't add any more fluid. Let me know if that is the incorrect procedure. I started the scooter and again, after almost exactly minutes in idle, the temperature reached to between 3/4 and the hot line just like it had been doing and the fan never came on. Then I removed the thermo switch from the radiator and followed a youtube video (https:// .youtube.com/watch?v=lkwJoLBGr9Q) on how to test if it is good or not. (cold the switch should not have continuity -multimeter showing 1- and at about 170 in water it should show continuity (actually displayed the water temperature I think, showed 170 and the number went down as the temperature got colder). Do you know if 170 is to high or is that ok? I will wait until someone tells me if that's ok because getting that switch off was a huge pain. I had to remove the radiator because the bolt was on very tight and there was no room to get a wrench around it without having it on my workbench. Also, I forgot to remove the coolant before I took that thing off and now I have a green floor. Now I am not sure what to do next. The connections looked good. The coolant seems to be flowing through the radiator because all of the hoses are very warm. The only thing I haven't checked is the voltage going into the thermo switch. The two pins going to the switch were good and tight when I pulled them out. I think I checked the voltage and got a very low reading but I'll recheck. Does it matter which pin goes where on the switch? What voltage should it be getting? Any suggestions on what I should try next? The scooter is in about a billion pieces right now so I can access just about everything on it. The one thing I keep thinking about is the burn marks inside the connections. However, I get voltage through the wires anyway. I am also thinking about getting a rechargeable 12v battery and just connect the fan to that. I think I could rig up an on/off switch so wouldn't have to disconnect the battery every time. Thanks again guys..
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Post by bbunce1 on Mar 27, 2014 16:37:47 GMT -6
Thank you for your suggestions. I will try all of that tomorrow and hopefully start riding again by next week. Thanks again for your help and will let you know what I find.
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Post by bbunce1 on Mar 26, 2014 21:32:17 GMT -6
Update: Decided to remove the other side panel. Now I can clearly see the back side of the radiator but still can't follow where the wire is attached to the battery. I really don't want to remove the middle area because that would mean I'd need to almost remove the rear section. I will try again tomorrow when it's daylight or maybe in a few days. Thanks and hope everyone here is doing well. If you guys ever come to Northern Florida, let me know. If my scooter ever sees another mile, we could go up along the coast line.
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Post by bbunce1 on Mar 26, 2014 17:21:16 GMT -6
Update: I removed the radiator protective panel but could not reach the back of the radiator to check the wires. So I removed 1 of the side covers and then could reach everything ok. Looks like I have some type of electrical problems. Then I checked the fuse box by pulling them out and checking for continuity. I know should have done that first. One of the fuses casing was broken and the fuse was like melted to the fuse box. After replacing the fuse with a good checked one, I then unplugged the wiring harness that plugged into the fan. The inside was brown on both sides...the side that came from the battery was brown and the plug that goes directly into the fan was brown. I also checked the glass fuse by the battery. That fuse is ok. Next, I made a wire that plugged directly into the fan. Swapped the wires around and still nothing. My next step I plan to do is completely remove the rest of the one side covers so I can see everything better. Unless you guys think I should do something else. Scot: I got my scooter from the same place and same month, November, 2013! How is that for a coincidence? Thanks again for everyone's help and support. It's great to know I'm not alone.
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Post by bbunce1 on Mar 26, 2014 14:33:51 GMT -6
Never mind, I got the cover off. Just was a little stuck.
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Post by bbunce1 on Mar 26, 2014 14:23:05 GMT -6
Can you give me a link to the pictures? So far I got the 6 screws off behind the front wheel on the black cover protecting the radiator.
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Post by bbunce1 on Mar 25, 2014 20:54:41 GMT -6
I have a Roketa 2013 MCR-54-250. I am pretty sure it is the 244 from looking at the pictures in another thread. It has about 650 miles and I am the original owner since November, 2013.
Problem: Overheats in idle or riding after about a 1/2 mile- fan never comes on.
What I've tried to do so far: Drained the coolant (2nd time since owning it) I also "burped" the scooter several times and that seemed to help at first. I drove it around the neighborhood at around 20-25 mph for about 3-4 miles and the temperature remained between 1/4 - 1/2 on the gauge. (When I stopped the engine, after a few seconds, I turned the scooter on again-not starting just to see if the fan was working-but fan wasn't running) About an hour or so later, I checked the coolant again and it was a little low so I filled it to the top again. I burped it one more timer. Next, I started it, left it in idle and it overheated again after 10 minutes! (fan did not come on) arrgh I don't believe there is a blockage anywhere because all the hoses seemed warm. At this point, I am almost positive the overheating problem is because the fan doesn't operate.
My next steps (tomorrow): From reading other posts on overheating issues I should check the following: fuses, thermostat, and thermostat switch. What else should I troubleshoot? How do I check the fan? I've read that I can reverse some wires from somewhere and that should turn it on.
This really is a frustrating experience for me. I got rid of my previous vehicle ($40,000 land rover) because that was overheating all the time. The mechanics never did find the problem.
I am so glad I found this forum and thank you for any advice.
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