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Post by johnny3d on Apr 19, 2014 20:07:01 GMT -6
Is it a stock windshield? I ask because I put a Cee Baileys windshield on my YY250T and since it was thicker than the original, I had to make some modifications to the front cowl so that it would fit right. Even then I had to add an extra screw down under the very front to keep it from popping out of place.
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Post by johnny3d on Apr 17, 2014 23:29:03 GMT -6
Yeah. I hate it too. A lot.
I've got a spare CDI that is specifically for my scoot now. So... I can eliminate that as the problem. I'm ordering the new ignition coil tomorrow and when that gets here I'll either eliminate that from the list too or it'll fire up. If it isn't that, then I'll plan on replacing the Stator and pickup coil...
If I end up replacing all that stuff and it still doesn't want to fire up... well... I'll junk it and eventually buy a Honda Shadow or something like that. I live 20 minutes from the biggest motorcycle rally in the world (Sturgis Motorcycle Rally). There are always good deals on motorcycles around here. Though with hope I just get this thing running again.
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Post by johnny3d on Apr 17, 2014 20:24:50 GMT -6
I'm ordering a new ignition coil tomorrow.
If I keep ordering new parts eventually I'll figure out which one has been bumming me out since last fall.
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Post by johnny3d on Apr 17, 2014 17:48:41 GMT -6
I now have a ground wire to one of the bolts on the valve cover. Tested the spark plug against that very bolt... no spark.
The extra ignition coil I got from a 50cc... So I suppose it's possible that my original ignition coil (250cc) is bad and the 50cc ignition coil I got my hands on isn't strong enough to make any spark at all.
Both test exactly the same on the multimeter though.
I also tried bypassing the kill switch (Black and White on the two-prong connection to the CDI). I just ran a wire from the 12v DC (black) wire to the connection on the CDI to bypass. I got the same result. Started turns over, no spark.
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Post by johnny3d on Apr 17, 2014 17:09:08 GMT -6
I do not have a ground wire going directly from the valve cover to the frame, but when I test with the multimeter (ohms), it shows that I have a good ground from the valve cover bolts to the ground on the battery. I could add a ground wire from one of the valve cover bolts to the frame. I will try removing the kill switch wire later tonight. When I currently engage the kill switch (OFF), I get nothing... it won't even attempt to start. When I have it in the "fun" position it will turn over as long as there is power to the battery. This is the procedure I've tried for testing the spark:
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Post by johnny3d on Apr 17, 2014 16:32:51 GMT -6
Well... I plugged the CDI in, plugged in the original ignition coil, put a new spark plug in it and held it up against a known good ground on the head and turned it over... no spark.
Plugged in a different (old) spark plug into the same ignition coil... no spark.
Swapped the wires leading into the ignition coil... and tried again... no spark.
Swapped out the ignition coil and put in new spark plug... no spark.
Swapped out new spark plug for old spark plug... no spark.
Used a multimeter to check ignition coil to CDI wires... both read as good. Ground from battery to frame is good. Checked all the different connections in all the connectors to make sure they were getting a connection and they tested as good.
Put the spark plug in the engine and attached the original ignition coil. Put the air intake system back on... won't start.
Set the multimeter to AC volts, grounded to the battery and the positive to each of the connections to the ignition coil in turn, both registered a small amount of volts while the engine was turning over (my multimeter is analog/cheap and isn't very specific at that low of voltage).
Tried turning the engine over a few more times... no start.
Stood back and breathed through another enormous wave of angry disappointment...
So... yeah.
So two different CDI's... Two different spark plugs... Two different ignition coils... connections tested.
Nobody in my area will even work on it... I've checked at all the shops. Last fall one shop said they would... this year they say they won't. I've lost all confidence that I can fix it...
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Post by johnny3d on Apr 17, 2014 10:35:12 GMT -6
One more quick question before the new CDI arrives (today).
The ignition coil has a "green" and a "black" lead on the ignition coil itself. When the scooter arrived from the factory it was hooked up with the green wire hooked to the black lead and the black wire hooked to the green lead. Should I switch these up and have Green to green and black to black?
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Post by johnny3d on Apr 13, 2014 18:02:49 GMT -6
Yeah. It's a 5 wire setup. There are 6 connections on the CDI but on the 4 connector there are only 3 wires going into it. Shipping is telling me Thursday for the part to get here. I really hope that's the issue and it fires up.
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Post by johnny3d on Apr 12, 2014 23:05:42 GMT -6
Thanks for the info about what the Regulator/Rectifier is. I just wasn't sure what that was. Good to know. The pic later is not of the back side of the R/R... it's the CDI. The new one is supposed to arrive this week and I'm eager to see if it fixes my no-spark issue.
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Post by johnny3d on Apr 10, 2014 12:22:52 GMT -6
I tested for 12v DC at the CDI connection and it is definitely getting there. I also did another spark test (grounding the spark plug on one of the head bolts to see if I could get any spark at all... nope... no spark. So I guess I'll just have to order the CDI and replace that to see if that is the issue. Looks like I'm going to go with this DC CDI. I would have bought the one you suggested off Ebay but I haven't used my paypal account since it was hacked a few years ago. I can buy the one I linked to with a card though.
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Post by johnny3d on Apr 10, 2014 11:24:12 GMT -6
Well... I managed to get my hands on a new ignition coil. I swapped it out and am still not getting a spark. I checked both ignition coils with a multi-meter and they tested out exactly the same. So I think I've eliminated that from the suspects list. Unfortunately, the CDI that the guy had wasn't the right one. So I can't check that by swapping it out today. I also pulled the new spark plug that I bought and put in the old spark plug to try that one. It didn't work either. So I don't think it's the spark plug itself that is the problem. There is a distinct odor of gasoline on the plug when I pull it, so I think it is getting gas, but just not sparking/firing... Nobody local sells a CDI for my scooter (that I can find)... here's what it looks like: Note how it has the more square connectors rather than the more round ones I see on a lot of CDIs. Can anyone recommend a good quality CDI to order online for my scooter? (Jonway YY250T with the 244cc motor) or does anyone have a known good one they want to sell me?
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Post by johnny3d on Apr 9, 2014 23:47:07 GMT -6
I did a search through the forum (and the web) to see if I could find information about using a Uni-Filter on my 244cc (CN250) engine. I found various vague suggestions to increase the jet size in the carb and to expand the exhaust but nothing specific to my engine or my carb. So... here are my questions:
1. My carb has one tube that leads back to the air intake setup that I think is a breather hose. If I install a Uni-Filter, what is the best thing to do with that breather hose?
2. When my scooter was last running (it is currently not running), it was running very rich. Will I still need to re-jet the carb (bigger jets) or will putting a Uni-Filter on it likely lean it out enough to take care of the rich condition without having to re-jet?
3. The Uni-Filter site suggests oiling all their filters. Should I specifically use the Uni brand spray oil or will other kinds of oil work just as well?
4. Do I absolutely have to modify the exhaust system (such as remove the restrictor plate or otherwise modify the exhaust) if I install a Uni-Filter?
5. Should I really just stick with the original airbox/intake?
Thanks for your time in advance and I look forward to hearing your advice.
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Post by johnny3d on Apr 9, 2014 17:05:00 GMT -6
I fixed/connected and wrapped it up in electrical tape to help make sure it doesn't come apart again.
The guy who has the CDI and ignition coil probably won't be available for me to pick them up from him until tomorrow. He said he also has uni-filters and carb jets should I end up needing those. Of course if I put a uni-filter on it, I'd probably need to do one of those oil return/vacuum tube setups I've read about too.
My main priority right now is just getting it to fire up. So... perhaps tomorrow.
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Post by johnny3d on Apr 9, 2014 16:15:44 GMT -6
Well... I'm back at it again (trying to fix my scoot)... I got in touch with a guy in town who used to sell scooters and has some leftover parts. So I'm going to swing by his place today and pick up a replacement CDI and Ignition coil. I'll install those later on and see if I can get a spark. In the meanwhile I'm still a little unsure about this yellow wire connection: So there is the connection. Originally it wasn't connected. It looked a little misshapen and damaged but looks like it should fit. Here you can see where the other end of the silvery side of that connection goes back and connects up to the auto choke... (I really don't like auto-chokes). The other end (copper) goes down and connects up to this connection with all yellow wires. Finally the yellow wire runs back into that thing... which looks like some kind of heat sink to me. But I don't know what that thing is or what it does. My question on this particular post is: Is that the proper wire to run to the auto-choke? Was it supposed to be connected and just never was? Should I try to fix the connector or just wire it directly to the other yellow wire to avoid any issues with a crappy/misshapen connection?
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Post by johnny3d on Aug 24, 2013 12:58:26 GMT -6
Thanks for all the help trying to solve my issue. I've tried all the things I could think of to try and it still will not start. I've put all the body panels back on the scooter and am just going to leave it dead until I can afford to take it into a shop and have some professional mechanics take a look at it. A local place says they can't promise anything since they don't sell Jonway scooters, but they said they should be able to help figure it out.
Again, thanks for the help. I'm bummed that I'm not able to ride the rest of the season, but I've tried everything you guys have suggested and everything I could think of and haven't been able to solve the issue.
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