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Post by steve on Oct 1, 2014 6:11:20 GMT -6
Like everything about my new BMS TBX 260 EFI except the fugly graphics on the front. They're cheap looking and poorly applied. So in general, is there a safe way to remove the graphics from our scooters without screwing up the clear coat? I'm pretty sure that these are on top of the clear coat, but paint seems to be an area that needs much improvement on Chinese scoots.
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Post by steve on Sept 20, 2014 14:22:46 GMT -6
I have found the same lack of info as have you. As I have only had mine for a few days and less than 75 miles, I can only offer first impressions. My first impression is WOW! I have owned several 150 and 250 Chinese scooters. All were fine scooters, but all were a little under powered and lacked that solid, I can trust you feel. The TBX feels massive, reliable and trusty worthy. It may be the 13" rims but she handles very well, and gives my 5' 11"/190 lbs a very good ride. She doesn't seem to be as "twitchy" over potholes and bumps as my other scoots were. Just feels competent on all of the roads I've ridden. Not supposed to do so this early, but speed seems to sneak up on ya and at 60 cmph she was showing 5K on the tach. I think she'll do the 75 to 80 cmph that I've read about. Launch is a little strange in that she does nothing as the throttle is rolled on and then when she hits 3K, it's like a switch was flipped and off she goes. The EFI is pretty much standard in it's response in that the roll on is smooth and predictable with none of the mid-ranged flat spots that my carburetor scooters have. It held open throttle for a little when I rolled off which I believe is for emissions and no different than EFI autos. It has lots of LED bulbs and comes stock with HID headlights which provide lots of bright, white light.
As to assembly and PDI, you will need at least 3 or 4 people to get her off the pallet and angle iron frame she shipped in. The battery was a pleasant surprise as it is a GEL cell and required only an hour or so on the charger. The biggest assembly issue for me was the funky hardware for mounting the windshield. I messed with it for about 30 min and tossed it in favor of rubber washers, speed nuts, and bolts. Gear oil was a surprise as she wants SAE 15W-40 instead of the gear oil my other scooters wanted. There was no oil in the gear box when I did the PDI. I always change the engine and gearbox lube before I start a new one the first time so this is an example of why PDI is vital. I'm still looking for the radiator cap and reserve tank so that I can change the anti-freeze.
As to fit and finish, it's no better or worse than other Chinese scooters so far. Body panels fit well and are nicely finished but I can't speak to the clear coat which began peeling within months on my other Chinese scooters. I have the "orange" which is really a very pretty copper color. The under seat storage in massive and even has a molded carpet liner and a strut to hold up the seat. The dash is mounted at a very good angle and the gages are large and easily read. I'm not impressed with the angle that the kickstand holds the scoot. It seems a little to vertical to me.
Over all, I would say that she feels much like the Japanese scooters I've ridden and is, for me at least, a new standard for Chinese scooters to strive for. I will update as I get more miles on her.
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Post by steve on Sept 15, 2014 20:55:52 GMT -6
I have the 2012 model. I have had it for 2 years. So far I have had it for 2 years. So far I have put on 2180 mi. Chinese batt died last month. Got a new sealed batt from AutoZone and it works great. When it arrived a friend did the pdi. Only issues were ths brake fluid screws were so tight they broke as we tried to remove them, but he got them out and replaced them. Be careful with the tabs on the plastics. It's hard to realign and could break easily. Other than that I love it ! I get lots of compliments, and just looks. I tried it at 85 just to see how it handles. My norm is between 40 and 60 per chinese speedometer. It gets abo It gets about 75 mpgm I wish it had an alarm, hookup for phone charger, hookup for mp3 player/ speakers. Those are my planned additions. I use a disk/brake alarm when I'm out and have to park. Otherwise it's garaged. Any other questions just ask. I'll try to answer. Well the scoot arrived today. Mfg date is 06.14. She's a big girl! She came with a fully charged gel battery. I didn't like the windshield mounts so I used speed nuts.One question comes to mind as I begin the PDI. The manual says 15w40 for the trans.. That seems wrong. Do you have a different spec for that?
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Post by steve on Sept 13, 2014 18:25:06 GMT -6
I tried to buy one last year but no one had them because of the upgrade. I made sure that I was getting the new version, but I've not found anything which explains the difference. I think that I read some where that the new version has the MP3 hook up and speakersin the glove box., but I doubt it. My yy250t had all of the things you plan to add, but I rarely used them.
I worked at a long term motel/hotel for almost 4 yrs. We did our best to keep out bad elements but anyone with a weeks rent and a picture ID got a room. I had to live on the property as a condition of employment and had my trike and my bobber stolen. Got the trike back; not so the bobber. I've retired and moved since then, but now the trike is chained to my home. I'm sure I'll have questions when it's delivered next and I thank you for your response.
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Post by steve on Sept 13, 2014 1:59:37 GMT -6
I've not ridden my trike much since I retired 3 weeks ago. Purchased a used 5th wheeler and parked it permanantly in an RV park, but all the access roads are 50 mph and up. My trike will do 58 cmph, but It's not happy at wot.I've heard several reports of 70-80 gps verified on the new TBX and it has a lot of storage so maybe I'll be able to get out there a little more when the new on gets here. The bobber in my profile pic was stolen with less than 100 miles on her. She was a 229cc and would only do about 50. I think everyone should own a hard tail springer at least once, but that girl was one rough riding heifer. The scooter doesn't have the cool factor, but it's OK for old people to wear sandals and socks and admit that scooters are fun. I've been lucky enough to have owned 2 Cushmans; one a 1947 and the other a Truckster. Cushman was the best ever made! I'm not a fan of cages.
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Post by steve on Sept 12, 2014 20:39:54 GMT -6
Tnx Alley. He is talking about fabbing them out of Lexan. I am seeing the same yellowing in the back also. My new one will be protected from the sun! The Chinese are much better than the first 2008 I purchased, but there are fit/finish issues yet. Trade-offs..
Off topic but the longevity of Chinese scooters becomes less of an issue for me at 65 than it might be for younger riders. Realisticly, my new BMS TBX 260 EFI will probably out last my ability/willingness to ride.It is something to consider when one is doing the "main stream" vs Chinese equation.
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Post by steve on Sept 12, 2014 12:24:31 GMT -6
My Jonway YY250T went to a buddy when I ordered my BMS TBX 260 EFI. The issue we are having is that the TX sun has yellowed the guage lenses/covers so badly that they can't me read. Can anyone out there hook me up with part #/source for this part. He needs to replace all but I think they are the same.
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Post by steve on Sept 3, 2014 13:32:20 GMT -6
Well, my Dong Fang 250 RTB-B got stolen with less than 100 miles on her. Really cool bike with a top speed of only 50-55. Anyway, I still need a little wind therapy so I just ordered the BMS 260 TBX EFI. I have owned several Chinese scooters and been through all the standard carb/cdi/variator mods and frankly, I'm ready to spend a little more time in the saddle and a little less time with wrenches.
This unit has EFI and hydraulic lifters so that should eliminate a lot of wrench time. It is also supposed to run 75-85 CMPH, (Chinese MPH) so I'll be able to use it on some of the secondary highways. Now the hunt will be on for a modified chip for the EFI so that I can clean up the EPA tune for a little more response/ speed.
I'll post reviews on the scooter and on Norco Power Sports, the vendor as this unfolds. In the meantime, any input from current owners would be welcome.
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Post by steve on Jun 9, 2014 9:17:38 GMT -6
Very basic formula is voltage times current equals power. Current is limited by the resistance of the circuit. It takes a certain amount of power to do everything. If your battery has low voltage the starter will try to draw more current and eat the fuse. Get your battery up to the correct voltage before you begin the troubleshooting process.
12v lead acid battery has 6 cells at about 2.3 volts per cell. If your no load voltage is 11.9, you most likely have a dead cell in your battery.
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Post by steve on May 30, 2014 5:58:41 GMT -6
I would look at the coil first on Alleys list. I've had to toss several of these because it would seem that the Chinese haven't figured out how to install the connector/boot on the sparkplug end. There is a very good chance that your problem lies there.
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Post by steve on May 17, 2014 20:30:10 GMT -6
I've been following your posts on the axle issue for a while, but did not realize that this issue has been around since 2009! I'm beginning to think that Ice Bear would be in deep doodoo if it weren't for the excellent work that Jim at Rapid Repair does.
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Post by steve on May 17, 2014 19:49:08 GMT -6
Thanks, Alley. I did that on the last axle and pulled the spacer from it before I installed the new one. I will most likely do the shim tomorrow, but I am also installing a new sprocket on my motorcycle so I might not get to it for a couple of days.
I am just getting tired of messing with that axle and feel that Ice Bear should scrap or modify the units they have in stock and stop shipping axles with known design issues.
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Post by steve on May 17, 2014 19:26:40 GMT -6
Thanks tvancman!! I've done the standard performance mods on her and she's the perfect vehicle for running errands and such, but that dam* axle thing is really a problem.
I think Ice Bear should release a model similar to this. I like the Road Warrior, but the little Viking combines agressive styling with the ease of operation of a scooter. If they made one in the same price range instead of the $4.2k that a Road Warrior costs, I think it would sell very well.
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Post by steve on May 17, 2014 19:20:04 GMT -6
No, Alley. I got one of the old style axles like the one I had before. I will install the shim on the bad side and ride it as long as I can. I just can't keep spending $200 dollars every 200 miles hoping that the next one might be a good one. This one has less than 100 miles on it.
The trike is fun to ride and draws attention wherever I ride her but the axle situation scares the bejesus out of me!
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