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Post by wolfhound on Nov 25, 2012 17:24:01 GMT -6
Again, well said Mauiboy. As that famous philosopher Forrest Gump once said, "Stupid is as Stupid does"!
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Post by JR on Nov 25, 2012 18:02:43 GMT -6
I find her actions utterly disgusting, but she has the right to freedom of speech and expression. She has the right to do that, we have the right to think she is not a very nice person for doing so. The flip side of people having rights is trusting them to exercise them appropriately. Obviously she didn't in our view (and pretty much everyone else's view). Irrespectively of what country and what war, all law abiding soldiers deserve our respect. Many soldiers over the years have given their lives to protect her right to be so disrespectful. An irony obviously lost on her. While everything you said by all our laws and constitution is correct as a former soldier I will never say I defended a person's right to IMO desicrate a honored soldier and grave. This person at this moment we do not even know. They had a mother and father maybe brothers and sisters, even a wife and children who never knew what happened to them. I'm seeing more and more things such as flag burning in own own country by the very citizens that we as soldiers fought for to have this freedom? I didn't fight for such rights even though I know they have them. I like a lot of soldiers fought for lots of things including coming home alive to my loved ones to try to forget the ugliness of war. I would like to ask Lindsey Stone how she would feel if she had ever held a dying man in her arms and then bring home just a dog tag and try to explain to their parents why this happened? Freedom of speech, freedom of expression? If this is what mocking a honored soldier is about then I'll have no part in it and never until now did I think I would ever have to. JR |
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Post by bobf on Nov 25, 2012 19:06:39 GMT -6
I agree with your post JR. Too much of this darned Politically Correct nonsense going around. If people act out of line and are an embarrassment to others, they need reprimanded openly. Some of these smart mouthed persons that go into public places and curse freely in front of all and especially the children, need to be stopped, not excused by the Politically Correct folks and that goes for the judges too.
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Post by wolfhound on Nov 25, 2012 19:45:46 GMT -6
No arguement from me on any of this. I find it offensive that the majority is constantly having todance to the music of the minority of groups in this country.
So far as I am concerned it is still Christmass and it is still a Christmass tree, I still salute the flag, not burn it, and this womans actions offend me
and the majority of those that I know. Her behaviour has cost her her job, deservedly, and she has won the honor to be the poster child for all
that is going wrong within this country. PC can also stand for Pure Crap.
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Post by mauiboy on Dec 2, 2012 12:45:32 GMT -6
JR I agree, but the downside of freedom of speech is by its very nature you cannot be selective. When you go from freedom of speech to the freedom to say what I agree with things get messy.
What she did was disgusting and the press have every right to make sure every last person in the country knows her name and what she did, but it's not illegal. Stupid, abhorrent, ironic, it's a lot of things and I think she's a horrible person but this country protects her right to do that and honestly that is a good thing. For one you know who the idiots are and secondly once there is a line drawn about what is ok to say and what isn't ok to say, that line can be moved to include anything and that's how you end up living in Burma or China and not the USA. Our right to freedom of expression is not perfect, but it is invaluable. Better to give the idiots of the world a chance to speak so we know who they are! I'm not saying they shouldn't be judged, just that it shouldn't be by the legal system as that leads to abuses.
And thank you for your service. Your protecting our lives and our rights means you and I can happily disagree without one of us going to prison, we can openly debate the government and opposition party without spending our lives in a gulag breaking rocks. I do understand why you would not support her right to be so disrespectful.
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Post by JR on Dec 4, 2012 19:39:57 GMT -6
I do understand why you would not support her right to be so disrespectful.
For that you have my respect and I also understand and value your opinion. That's what I fought for and I can see you are the type of person that could NEVER do or go along with such a thing that this person done.
JR
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Post by mauiboy on Dec 4, 2012 20:14:45 GMT -6
Exactly, just because you do have the freedom to do something, doesn't mean you actually should. Having stood in the gas chambers at Sachsenhausen I know what the soldiers \ marines \ airmen and sailors saved us from. I wouldn't dream of disrespecting their sacrifice. Unfortunately other people either don't understand\know or don't care, I guess at least the former can be rectified with education. Can you imagine what would have happened to her if she had done that in China? She and her entire family would never be seen again. I love the fact we do have the freedom to be honest and speak our mind, we can sit down and say Romney was born with a silver foot in his mouth and Obama couldn't organise a stag party in a brewery and no black cars come to take us away, we shouldn't abuse that right or disrespect those that fought for it.
Given her name is now ingrained in the internet forever I think this is probably going to haunt her for a long time to come. I do hope it was a moment of stupidity and she doesn't actually believe those heroes deserved that disrespect. Any future employer who can use google will not be impressed.
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Post by wolfhound on Dec 4, 2012 20:38:41 GMT -6
Well put, mauiboy. However I do think it was a purposeful act. She had the right to do it and we have the right to dissaprove. As I have grown older
I have become more aware of how our early life mistakes can come back to haunt us.
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Post by mauiboy on Dec 4, 2012 22:06:56 GMT -6
I can't help but wonder if her neighbours (the cat and dog owning ones) will ensure her mailbox is kept fully stocked for a while after this. Can't say I'd blame them. In some ways the internet is the perfect way of dealing with these people, she doesn't deserve to go to jail )although I understand those folks who think she does) but she deserves everyone else in the country knowing what she did.
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Post by jct842 on Dec 4, 2012 23:39:47 GMT -6
The big difference between stone and jane fonda is what fonda did in nam was treason and yet the scum bucket was never sent to jail maybe because she was the daughter of a good actor.
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Post by JR on Dec 5, 2012 10:34:37 GMT -6
So true John and why wasn't Fonda dealt with is a mystery to me except my only thought is the country was afraid of the hippies?
JR
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Post by terrilee on Dec 5, 2012 11:25:03 GMT -6
do you remember the Mike douglas movie,
shit i forget the name of it, o the american president
where he is a single father president dating a
lobbyist.
at the end he makes a great speech
something like......
freedom isnt free,
freedom is yelling at the top of your lungs for what you believe in
but also someone else yelling at the top of their lungs, against what you have spent you whole life defending,
god i thought i had dvr'ed that speech , but i didnt
its a great lil speech.
America, with all her freedoms is not easy
you have to fight for it.
Everyone has the 'right' to express their opinions
but of course if you do something as stupid as this b*tch did
you have to live with the consequences ,
BUT she does have that freedom
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Post by wolfhound on Dec 6, 2012 15:11:56 GMT -6
Our lives are the result of our choices and decissions, good and bad. This person had the freedom to make such a choice and must now
accept the results of her decision.
I agree with Terrilee in her last 3 lines of comment.
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Post by mauiboy on Dec 9, 2012 14:56:50 GMT -6
Just read up on the Fonda thing, jeez that lady was nuts. I'd have left her with the people she loves and not let her back in the country. There is a line between being anti war and treason and she seems be be dancing on both sides of that line. Some coincidence she only regretted her statements when it began to affect her career.
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Post by jct842 on Dec 9, 2012 15:01:22 GMT -6
It would have made a lot of vets smile if she choked on the fish heads and rice over there and went tits up.
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