Electrical Issue Serious Help Needed By Saber (Read 2,414 times)

[JR]

Saber got to remember the charging system has nothing to do with the scooter running. It's a AC fired system so if you have correct voltage out of the red/black wire going to the CDI it runs.

In fact you can start the scooter with the kickstarter with a totally dead battery or no battery at all. Prove it to yourself, start the scooter and unhook the battery.

The one coil on the stator designated for the CDI has nothing to do with the charging system and the other coils for the charging system have nothing to do with the scooter running.

JR

[Saber]

Sept 12, 2012 17:13:14 GMT -6 JR said:

Saber got to remember the charging system has nothing to do with the scooter running. It's a AC fired system so if you have correct voltage out of the red/black wire going to the CDI it runs.

In fact you can start the scooter with the kickstarter with a totally dead battery or no battery at all. Prove it to yourself, start the scooter and unhook the battery.

The one coil on the stator designated for the CDI has nothing to do with the charging system and the other coils for the charging system have nothing to do with the scooter running.

JR

Oh I know that. Sorry I was just ranting and raving.

So I decided to put my first replacement stator back on and check voltages again. While the OEM regulator is plugged in I had 40vac white 14.5vdc red and on the yellow I started with 12vac but after about 5 minutes of running it dropped to 9vac and after about 10 minutes of idling the voltage dropped to 2 vac. If I unplug just the yellow then my lights come on bright.

So Im hoping I'm on to something here my OEM R/R is not working this was my original thought after I replaced the stator the first time so I bought a replacement from online and my lights fried? The locally bought replacement R/R got really hot my lights didn't turn on at all.
So where am I at here?

[JR]

Very confusing indeed? The white wire should not feed the lights? Sounds like you either have the lights wired to the wrong wire or the R/R is shorted and feeding the yellow wire?

Measure your old stator on the white and yellow wires without the R/R. Make sure you have the lights unhooked. See if they measure the same at say 3k rpm.

If this R/R is indeed shorted internally then it has probably smoked the new stator.

JR

[JR]

Sept 12, 2012 11:14:40 GMT -6 Saber said:

Sept 12, 2012 10:14:27 GMT -6 JR said:

I'm confused? Born that way. Are you testing the white and yellow wire to ground? Again simply put both wires should read the same equally unplugged from the R/R revved up on the tune of 40Vac plus.

Now when you plug things in the yellow wire does carry most of the load but it should read 12Vac plus even with it plugged in and the lights on.

Not trying to sound like a stuck record but all your tests still indicate bad stator.

JR

Okay maybe I am confused on how I am supposed to be testing it. Stator unplugged I have have 12 to 17 vac to ground on each leg. if I test across yellow and white together I have 40vac?
So are you saying Im supposed to have 40vac on white to ground?

Yes 40Vac on the yellow and the white wire to ground. I see the confusion here, I missed this. Doesn't matter what you have from the yellow to the white, this is a single phase stator.

On the 3-phase stators one has 3 yellow wires and you measure from yellow to yellow and will have 60Vac at 5k rpm.

So again with the R/R unplugged measure the white and the yellow to ground at idlw and at say 3 k rpm. They should be the same.

JR

[JR]

I have a new R/R and just for kicks I did a little testing on it for ohm resistance. Now you can test 5 R/R's and get all different results but with the multimeter on the 20k setting this R/R from the yellow to white is open no resistance.

From the green (ground) to the yellow and white I read a identical 18.35 ohms. No reading on any terminal to red.

JR

[Saber]

Sept 12, 2012 12:06:24 GMT -6 Saber said:

Sept 12, 2012 11:20:50 GMT -6 justbuggin2 said:

i thinking that what Jr is saying is the case here i have an 8 pole stator and the matching flat 4 pin reg i can send you

I may just have to accept this but I can't believe I lost my OEM Stator while on the road and it left me there. Then I put on a locally bought Stator it lasts a day before I loose my lights (BIKE STILL RUNS THOUGH) and then the Stator I bought online is DOA?? (But the bike still runs).

Okay starting to accept this.Do you like cats or dogs?
I like dogs but I also like polar bears. 

Justbuggin2 I will PM you. I'm interested.

Big thanks go out to Justbuggin2. I got the stator and regulator and installed them with no issue and most everything works. Took the the bike out for a 15 mile ride and had lights

Now for the the one thing. After installing one of the regulators I bought new I reved the engine and blew out all my lights. When all that happen my enricher was plugged in. Never had an issue prior to this whole mess now I do. Do you think I blew it out to. It seems like it is stuck on. Idle is super high and I had to make an adjust to the idle just to be able to take it for a ride? Is it Time for a new thread?

[alleyoop]

Well if everything is good now with Stator and R/R installed and the ENRICHER was BLOWN before you installed the new parts then all you really need is a new ENRICHER. Or you can test it just take it OFF THE CARB leav it plugged in before starting the scoot and lay it on its side.
Then put your thumb over the hole and start the scoot LEAVE YOUR thumb over the hole THAT IS LIKE acting as if the ENRICHER IS FEEDING IT EXTRA FUEL WHEN COLD. Then in a couple minutes the PLUNGER on the ENRICHER laying there on its side should start to EXTEND OUT and within 3-4 or so minutes it should be out about 1/4 of an inch. If it doesn't then touch the ENRICHER it should be hot IF it was getting voltage to heat it up.
Alleyoop

[justbuggin2]

i have an enricher to wish i know when i ship the other parts

[Saber]

Sept 25, 2012 22:10:51 GMT -6 justbuggin2 said:

i have an enricher to wish i know when i ship the other parts

Hey me to

[Saber]

Sept 25, 2012 19:15:10 GMT -6 alleyoop said:

Well if everything is good now with Stator and R/R installed and the ENRICHER was BLOWN before you installed the new parts then all you really need is a new ENRICHER. Or you can test it just take it OFF THE CARB leav it plugged in before starting the scoot and lay it on its side.
Then put your thumb over the hole and start the scoot LEAVE YOUR thumb over the hole THAT IS LIKE acting as if the ENRICHER IS FEEDING IT EXTRA FUEL WHEN COLD. Then in a couple minutes the PLUNGER on the ENRICHER laying there on its side should start to EXTEND OUT and within 3-4 or so minutes it should be out about 1/4 of an inch. If it doesn't then touch the ENRICHER it should be hot IF it was getting voltage to heat it up.
Alleyoop

Okay thanks for the info I will try that today when I get home.

[Saber]

So being an electrician I know this smell very well. Burnt plastic is the smell so I'm going to say its blown. Already ordered a new one this should be the last bit.
Thanks again everyone for all the help.

[dean7]

i dont know if it will help but i put anew stator on and blew all my lights and next i found the wires ging to the headlight bulbs right at the headlight connection it goes thru metal 1 wire went thru a plastic tube and 1 wasn't in the tube and had shorted out which i supposed byppassed the regulater once fixed the same regulater worked fine

[dean7]

i checked mine by taking it off and hooking it to the battery a couple of minutes longer and it grew (worked)

[dean7]

had the same problem with a scrappy dog regulator and more problems beside those which are on another board scrappyis the parts go somewhere else

[dean7]

I still haave that regulator think i,ll ohm it s