Nitrogen????? By Bong (Read 1,402 times)

[Bong]

So I went ahead and paid someone to change the oil in my cage. Just being lazy and the free car wash was a nice touch.

Anyway, I took it to "Fabulous Freddie's" A SHELL affiliate station and while I was waiting, reading the various signs and such they advertise using Nitrogen instead of compressed air to fill tires. (for a small fee of coarse)

My brain immediately went into "well what if" mode......

What if..... Nitrogen is used on my scoot tires??? What about Helium??? what makes Nitrogen better than plain old compressed air??

I got to thinking, I've seen many a post about proper air pressure but, Nothing on the type of air used......

So, I am still researching the whole Nitrogen thing but, was curious if anyone here has used anything other than regular compressed air to fill there tires.

Is this just another way to waste my cash or is there a real benefit to using Nitrogen/Helium/ CO2 etc... in scoot tires?

I DO NOT want this to become some sort of "Boric Acid" revolutionary fix all.... Just curious if anyone has used something besides compressed air on a daily driver?

Oh yeah, Merry new year all-- Don't scoot in yellow snow

[tvnacman]

Hey Bong Happy new year .

I use the nitro fill in my scooters and cages . One main advantage to using it the pressure will not change with changes in temp .

In the air conditioning feild I also use it to presserize the sealed refigerant system to look for leaks and to do what we call sweep . This inert gas is moisture free , it will push out moisture or any debris . It is supposed to be better for the rubber tires .

For my cages when I'm at my friends shop he connects the hoses from the nitro machine and its done on the car no removing wheels same with the scooters . I could adapt my bottle of nitrogen to fill tires . I'm not sure of the details of helium .
John

[jct842]

helium would more than likely leak out. it is a much much thinner gas and can find its way out, just look how long a balloon lasts with air compared to with helium. in air rifles you can get higher velocity's with it as being thin it flows faster. john

[JR]

I DO NOT want this to become some sort of "Boric Acid" revolutionary fix all


Ok now I can type because I've quit wiping the tears out of my eyes from laughter!

I know that some vehicles now are coming with nitrogen as OEM. My wife's Chevy has the computer system in it that tells you if a tire is low and monitors the air to tell you how it is effecting your MPG and as TV mentioned with changing temps the tires can vary a lot.

On the second service trip to the Chevy dealer for standard oil change and service I asked them how to control this better and they recommended nitrogen, they put it in at the rated specs of the tire to also set with the cars computer for best driving, wear and MPG. The tire warning system has never came on since and since my wife drives 80 to 100 miles a day it has paid for itself in fuel savings.

She drives at 55 MPH and we keep the tires rotated religiously along with proper service and she gets a good 31+ MPG.

I know a lot of guys who like it in the 1/2 and 3/4 ton trucks also. I think its going to be standard OEM on all vehicles one day soon.

Hey Bong why don't you ask some to try the acid thing in their tires? Just not here!

[silverfox96]

I think that bong is referring to a subject that has been cussed and discussed on another forum. BTW, it's not nearly as friendly over there!

[JR]

Jan 2, 2012 10:59:45 GMT -6 silverfox96 said:

I think that bong is referring to a subject that has been cussed and discussed on another forum. BTW, it's not nearly as friendly over there!

You for sure got that right on all 3 counts!




JR

[Bong]

Thanks for the info guys!!!!! I'm not sure what the fees are but, I'll give it a try on all my wheels next time they need servicing....

I know a lot of tire repair kits have those quick fill c02 cartridges much like a Airsoft gun. So, that's where that idea came from and Helium was just a WAG (Wild A$$ Guess) I also thought about pure Oxygen but, that may get a bit explosive on a hot day......

I think Silverfox is the big winner here. Like Jr said, spot on with all three. Oh, and now were even in the laughs department JR. I was joking BTW glad ya gotta kick out of that one. I would never taint this forum with acid tires but you have given me another idea

[alleyoop]

Hey how about when shoting out some loud ones open a container and saving the HOT GASES and then putting that in the tires, THINK THAT MIGHT keep those tires up or would they just deflat from the smell
Alleyoop
P.S Couldn't Help Myself

[Bong]

Never thought of Methane (that was absolute genius Alley) LMAO Thank you!!!!!

So to recap It's Pure Oxygen, Nitrogen Or Methane. I do have my own personal compressed methane source butt, from my experience the pressure does fluctuate daily and 32 PSI is more than I can handle.

Anyone got a match?

Thanks again Righty that was great!!!!!!! It does seem the whole Nitrogen thing is a decent idea though. MPG and Gas Is a concern for my V8 cage.

Seems newer Chevy's, Fords etc.... do come standard with this stuff. I'm Still trying to figure out how a computer is sensing air pressure in a spinning tire but that's another topic. I like my valve caps that turn red when low.

Stay safe butt, keep your tires in check!!

[JR]

I wondered the same thing too Bong? And the valve stems? They aren't chaep and they have something to do with this computer stuff?

But on my wife's Cruze if the computer says 32 psi you can check it with a hand gauge and it's 32PSI. Beats me?

[jct842]

for what it is worth, I have another hobby, co2 pellet guns. they are all sealed with o-rings. the cheap hardware variety absorbs co2. if you take a gun with these o-rings in it apart after being charged up with co2 the rings will swell up. My self I would not put co2 in a tire. those rings are just like a sponge for co2. i even bought one of those co2 tire filers but have never used it and do not intend too. i don't know how a tire would handle co2 and am not prepared to find out. my life is riding on that rubber.

[justbuggin2]

ok if we take a funnel and hose from the seat of our scoots and put the other end of the hose in the air filter would we get a boost in power when gas is past

[tvnacman]

Well , the magic for TPMS is in the valves . My friend has the $7k machine . What he finds if you use regular compressed air , the pressure will fluctuate with temerature . Im not selling it just sharing what I know about it . the pressure with vary differently from tire to tire based on the amount of moisture in each tire . This will sense tire pressure differences from one tire to the next . And with RF signals to the computer and sets the TPMS light . The machine sucks the air out of the tire and measures the moisture contant . It will pull a longer vaccume on a tire with more moisture .

Just for the record I use it, it cost me nothing , if you want to use it use it , if not don't .

John

[Bong]

Thanks TVNAC!!!!!! Wish I had a "Free" source!! Fart jokes aside, A lot of high end Supercars- Maserati, Mclaren, Lambo..... Have used Nitrogen for a few years now. Regular air is just not good enough for a 200mph car I guess. Ford/Chevy have recently started using Nitrogen as well so, There is something to to this IMO.... Constant air pressure no matter the time of year is a good thing. I have yet to take the plunge though. Not sure about the cost of filling my Tires with a stable gas.

Anyone out there run Nitrogen In Scoot tires??? Except -TVNAC

Cost/benefit? Problems sealing the bead etc.....??

[tvnacman]

I know the dealer is over the tip on the price , like $90 . for repairing sealed system in air conditioning I use nitrogen . You can adapt the hoses to an air valve chuck , have the a/c guy set the regulator to 50 or 75psi .

Two years ago I went away with the family , walking to the car I noticed a bolt in my tire . I went to a tire place (chain) they did not have nitrogen to refill after the put a patch plug . My TPMS light was on it took 3 times to get the moisture out and get the light off an stay off .

John