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Post by roakaun on Sept 17, 2014 15:52:13 GMT -6
Good day, Gentlefolk.
I'm one of those folks that do his best to work on his own vehicles, 'cept when it comes to crank internals, or rebuilding. I might be adding Electricals to that list as well. I've got a brain stump puzzler on my Diamo Tourista that's causing me migraines, and, if left alone, might cause me to a) set the scoot on fire, or b) get pancaked some day.
Case one: Rode said scoot to work (2.2 miles, one way), did fine. Tried to fire up that afternoon, no dice. Turns over fine, but would not catch. Tore out some hair, could not grasp what problem was. Next day, did the 'unplug/ re plug' game with any ignition wires I could find. >varroom<. Rode home. Cleaned up Igniter box connections as best as I could (a bit of corrosion on a couple of leads)
Case two: Rode to and from work, was JUST about home, and >rrrrrr..*silence* Coasted into driveway. Did the plug game a few hours later, no dice. Next day, tried to start it for giggles, >varrroom<. scratched head. Rode home. Replaced Coil and Plug (planned replacements anyways)
Case three: Was idling in traffic on the way home from work: > put put put put <.... *silence* Had to push into a parking lot. Did the plug thing. No dice. Two hours later, tried again, testing for spark >ZAP< had spark. Replaced plug, tried again... >varrroom< Rode home.
Stripped that puppy down to the little 257cc engine, checking wires, fuel lines (electric, works fine), looked over fuel filter (half full), checked valve gaps; checked good. Battery at 13.5 volts, no load. Kicked tire; turned. Checked belt; little dirty in there, but belt looked good. Reassembled. fired up. rode up and down street. Did fine.
3 days later, most of the way home, scoot dies again, on a straight back street, light throttle. like the other times: no cough, no stutter, no warning, just *off*. Coasted to the side, thought happy thoughts of burning vehicles and rusting hulks at the bottom of the ocean. I'll be heading back to it tonight to see if it at least wants to die at home. Interspaced between these Cases I had driven it 20+ miles a few times, in excess of 55 mph here and there. Hot as Hades over here, and noted the fan on this thing works fine, never overheated. Fired up fine to head home, with wife riding second. I'm about at wits end with these shenanigans, and don't have a scooter repair shop in town, so I'd have to pay extra to have 'em come get it on a trailer, and there'd be no telling WHEN I'd get it back.
Any thoughts as to what more to try before consigning it to the Deeps would be greatly appreciated.
Mike M. (at wits end, and boy, was it a short trip)
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Post by roakaun on Sept 17, 2014 20:26:05 GMT -6
Update: Fired up ok after a few hours, rode it home. Thinking I should take a closer look at the fuel system. Gonna try a simple new fuel filter and new fuel lines, in case of debris and or deterioration. I can't find any info on the electric pump, tho. Flow rate and such. I guess it either pumps or it don't.
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Post by fflintstone on Sept 17, 2014 22:01:27 GMT -6
Looks like you on the right track now--fuel--it probably gets stopped up with some type of trash and when you let it set awhile ,trash temporarily relocates or dissapates and builds up fuel pressure--but after running awhile ,it blocks the passage again--probably a piece of rotten hose or rust in the fuel--that is a scenario I once had to endure--new fuel filter,air filter and check tank for loose dirt just might fix it--very aggravating
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Post by fflintstone on Sept 17, 2014 22:03:53 GMT -6
Jr does have some info on electric pumps somewhere in the specs section--check it out--good luck
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Post by fflintstone on Sept 17, 2014 22:09:59 GMT -6
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Post by gatekeeper on Sept 17, 2014 22:47:41 GMT -6
Gas tank may not be vented properly. Try running it with the gas cap off or loosened. If it doesn't die then that could be your problem.
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Post by wheezy on Sept 25, 2014 13:23:31 GMT -6
You said your fuel filter is half full. At what angle is it sitting? If it's not relatively level, it will develop an air bubble which grows until it starves the motor of gas. I know this because the exact same thing happened to me. What started with a defective pump became months of frustration, as I replaced the filter at the same time as the pump. I used the 3 inch length hose that came in the filter box. This changed the way the new filter sat, and I didn't notice the bubble until I finally rode with the skins off. Check your filter for level. Here is my pic of what it looks like when it's wrong:
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Post by roakaun on Sept 26, 2014 15:15:30 GMT -6
OK... somewhat of an update on this 'situation'. We've had a week of cool days here in the FL Panhandle, and with it, no return of the 'suddenly off' scooter fun. Been driving back and forth to work, took it out on an 8 mile stint, and have been extra, EXTRA cautious on crossing traffic. Scoot runs fine. *sigh* I am having a somewhat hard starting issue in the morning, but I will try enriching the carb a tad. Wheezy, your suggestion will be tested this weekend, as to easily see the fuel filter is not a quick glance thing; it's hidden behind the 3rd level black plastic engine cover that takes about 15/20 min to get to. From what I recall, it IS at a slant, and yes, a bubble was seen in the filter. I'll try for level, using zip ties as needed. (ha! one more add on item for the Ultimate Tool Kit: Zip Ties) fflintstone, I may be mistaken about this Diamo having an electric fuel pump. What I see inline the fuel hose is perhaps an electric fuel valve? Yes, yes... 'Give Us Pictures!' All you'd see at the moment is blue plastic. Chain of items goes: Fuel tank-hose-filter-hose-two wire metal 'thing/pump/valve/wigit'-hose-carb. I'll see if I can get a good pic of it for clarity's sake.
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Post by cheapeto on Sept 28, 2014 6:47:20 GMT -6
I'm no expert, and still in the learning mode myself. Just an idea. Once it stops on you, is there any gas in the tube that hangs down from the carb? I'd try and catch the run out, you can see if it's dirty. Mine has a wee screw up in it, to release crude from the float bowl, if I remember correctly. Good luck.
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Post by roakaun on Oct 3, 2014 20:19:34 GMT -6
Ok... latest on this issue: Fuel seems clean, rubber lines have not deteriorated and are flexible. Fuel filter itself has turned yellow from age, and it's hard to tell if it's got gunk inside. *toss* Fuel filter replaced using a view glass inline style. It's angled gas flow down, and does seem to keep a bubble of air at the top of the filter. Ain't had a shut off problem as of late. Still idles rough when cold, and fine when hot, so I got to thinking... perhaps warn rubber intake manifold problem? Have one on order, will see if that evens out the RPMs.
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