issues - swapped alarmed harness for non alarmed By godfeast (Read 1,619 times)

[JR]

Just read this Godfeast and your harness doesn't need the jumper, some do some don't. Now the other place up in the instrument panel should go to the emergency kill siwth on the handle bars.

This switch kills the engine by grounding out the CDI just like the key switch does.

When one needs the jumper is when the kill circuit runs through the alarm instead of just to it, if that is the case then one has to jump it to keep the circuit complete.

JR

[godfeast]

OK ,

I just got time today to finally finish checking the harness and installing it only to find that now the bike wont even try to start and the headlights and turn signals are on steady as soon as the battery is connected.

I have no idea whats plugged in wrong or crossed.

How can I find out whats going down?

Further plug and pray testing shows me that removing both the entire rear portion of the harness from the back lights and the front portion of the harness from everything does not effect the situation ( removing front plugs and back turn signals still stay lit steady as soon as battery positive is connected, and if rear plugs are removed the headlights still stay on steady (and this is a system where the headlights shouldnt be on if engine isnt running).

Ive checked the plug connections and they all seem to match up with correct wiring, but obviously i have to be missing something.

Is it possible that a longbo harness is wired that differently from a sunl adventure, besides adding the alarm plug?

[godfeast]

Is it possible that a bad rectifier could be doing this?

I switched back to my old one (it did run with the other harness, but no lights) because I didnt have a proper plug for the 5 pronged on that came with my 8 pole stator.

[godfeast]

No one knows anything about this situation?

[JR]

thescooterprofessor.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=50200g&action=display&thread=436

Godfeast both those scooter you mentioned should wire up just like the Bali 150. look at that diagram and see what you have in comparision.

The headlights are on through the dimmer switch only when the scooter is running so if they are coming on as soon as you hook the battery up then you've got the head light circuit, usually yellow or brown tied into the battery or the R/R could be shorted out and sending voltage from the red wire to the yellow internally.

JR

[godfeast]

I decided to stop being frustrated and to actually do what I should have done from the start -

I have the unique opportunity of owning both alarmed and non alarmed harnesses from the same kind of scooter, so I striped both down and started taking pictures and slowly identifying wiring paths.

I am absolutely no good at reading schematics - if anyone can point me to a site that explains in simple steps how to read one, I would really appreciate that,.

I found the following out about the harnesses:

1. the alarm plug has the following color wires in a 9 pronged plug and looking at it from a view that has the top as the snap in piece for securing plug and starting at top left :

a. green
b. red -
c. black with white stripe

next row starting at left

d. empty
e. red with yellow stripe
f. brown with white stripe ( attaches to bayonet end and dont have alarm, so no idea what that goes to).

next row starting at left

g. black
h. baby blue
i. orange

All of these leads attached to a similar colored wire in the harness body that feeds the same color wire going to different plugs and thus, I simply snipped off the alarm plug.

The ignition black/white line attaches via a bayonet plug to the same junction as the alarm plug on a black/white wire in the harness, but on the non alarmed harness, it is simply hard attached to same place.

This leaves only one difference in the harnesses from alarmed to non alarmed that I identified:

IN RE: two plugs that attach up into the instrument panels, dash, switches, etc...

The larger of the two plugs on the non alarmed harness has an empty spot at the top right wire spot, but on the alarmed harness it has a green ground wire.

This green ground wire on the non alarmed harness attaches to the smaller plug instead but on the alarmed harness this spot on the smaller plug is a red power lead.

This red power lead doesnt exist at all on the non alarmed harness.

I simply cut off the red lead and moved the green ground wire from the larger plug to the now vacant spot on the small plug.

The harnesses are now exactly the same in all respects.



alarmed harness before modification (at dash plugs)



non alarmed harness dash plugs

[godfeast]

I think im going to switch out the r/r as well just in case when I stick the harness back in later.

I believe this should cover all my bases, and hopefully this ordeal of mine will help anyone wanting to put in an alarm or remove one.

[JR]

You are on the right pathe. The alarm is just an extension of all the wires you mentioned, for instance the orange goes to the left turn signal and the light blue goes to the right, why? Because if the alarm goes off all four turn signals flash. The red and black wires are igniotn wires and the black/white is the CDI kill wire, green ground and the other wire probably went to the alarm siren. Since you have no alarm/remote no need for the wires.

Now if you need anything else we'll discuss it one wire at a time. In your last picture the two plug is a ground and black = 12Vdc from the battery and the other plug looks like several items that I know but I can't make out all the colors?

JR

[godfeast]

The harness is in and the bike lives again.

The only issue atm is that the rear tail light only comes on when the brake handles are pulled - its not on with bike running as it should be and I have an LED light in there, so I have to assume its a wiring issue.

I am no good at schematics, but trying to figure out which wires in the tail harness are the ones responsible for running the taillight low beams when the engine is on.

What would be the usual color of these ? Is it the yellow that turns brown?[\strike]

The short evidently fried the LED Somehow - bikes fully functional.

TY all for the help.

[alleyoop]

Yes, the brown is your running lights at the rear.
Alleyoop

[dean7]

blk/wht leading up would be for kill switch on handlebars

[dean7]

when i wrote this i didn,t see all the replies sorry