upgrade the battery on 250 an how long the one in them last By scot (Read 693 times)

[scot]

I was wondering should I upgrade the battery ,I plan on running a power inverter ,that hooks right up to battery ,having poweroutlet .my thought  was to tender it when I use a lot of power ,cell phone ,I also plan on hooking up under seat stereo ,an adding speakers to the rear trunk an mabey lighting ,,I plan to change the fuse to the plug in new style an 20 amp fuse.i see all kinds of batterys on ebay ,it seems 35.00 is the going price average ,I guess the 9a 12v may work ,what would you guys do or have done already .how long has your Chinese battery lasted  an the best route to take ,I used to run a 200 watt stereo on my 06 dl1000 it was a handle bar mounted had butt lighter to ,an just ran it straight off the battery the sound system on thse are loud but don't seem to have bass ,the one on my dl was louder then the dual scorpion exhaust.? does this use a more powerful one then a 150 I am thinking probley not  ,so its few questions  ,thanks everyone 8-|I like that one ,

[alleyoop]

Batteries are a shot in the dark, some will last some won't. Take my battery I bought the trike in march of 2009 and JUST Yesterday the Original 7Amp battery that came with the Trike gave up the ghost that is at the very least 4 1/2 years.
Alleyoop

[scot]

 after researching I think the more powerfull battery may solve a lot of complicated issues ,there selling us cheap parts why not a cheap battery,I know guys they don't do anything but put there toys away ,don't even take the battery out while storeing it  ,in spring carbs gummed up flat tire couse they did not check the air   I think preventive maint to me is commen sence I guess some just got other things on there mind ,then they wonder why its dead after the first year,that seems pretty good ,amount of time ,yes every now an then I guess we get a bad one ,but I think it has a lot to do with who owns it an how we take care of it , 8-|actually I am surprised but I guess if a lot of guys are getting what they need from a 9ah that is all that mnatters

[scot]

well its my thought mabey move this thread to the open discussion ,I bought my 2013 roketa mc250b the jonway yy250t 244ccc,from poweride outlet .I am sure not all dealers offered this ,they offered the italika adjustable carb epa approved the other was not . 59.00 was a no brainer for me,then they offered a more powerful presidential battery 49.99 I did not buy it ,I thought quickly what are they selling an under powered battery to me 9ah is what I got,an hear so much issues with charging batterys an so on ,I an finding the Honda reflex holds the 12ah ,is the ome replacement battery ,an know I am dealing WITH CHINESE CHEAP PARTS ,I think the one I got for my scooter is underpowered ,an it may be the case with a lot of Chinese scooters I did not see other dealers offering the uprades wich I did like know,couse I don't know much,but bye now I think I am just going to put the 12ah in it an see how it goes ,there has to be others who figured that out 8-|an its my personal thought that if they are putting a lot of cheap parts on the scooters this includes all scooters having cheap batterys ,they did say wich I found weird ,it last you 2 3 years the scooter not the battery  ,I am thinking yes for the guy who rides 10.000 miles per year,for me not  

[racerx125]

well when I bought my motorcycle the battery died 1 year later so I had to buy a Duralast battery at Autozone. Mine had those black with red letters chinese battery

[scot]

near everything we buy is either made in china or put together there then another name it put on it ,but that one is  for a 250cc ,a lot of dealers give you the same battery as 150cc or a 100cc takes ,an just underpowered after some time

[scot]

got the power sourse battery wpz12s  11ah,put it on trikle to check was charged before shipping just like promised its lynn vick that makes these an one called adventure is there generic version,it weights 3 more pounds at the same size meens more lead more cells ,there usa based company that makes them in Vietnam,so they may not be interstate ,but I do remember having one now ,in one of my rides an past 10 years,the average price of the battery is 80.00 there generic can be for 40 to 80.00,this one was 55.00 for me I think I did ok but time will tell,but I do think just having the more powerful battery will prove an charging issues has to do with the underpowered betteries that come with 8ah. the bigger 250cc that also come with the 150s an smaller . an the Honda reflex used this exact battery O_olike said they use the power of a 1000cc bike an 1200 bandit uses the same  

[ellpee]

Guess I'll tack onto this thread with an electrical theory question, stemming from my own charging system challenges.

If I were to completely disconnect the R/R from the battery and run my scoot, everything -- ignition, lights, gauges -- would be drawing directly from the battery, for however long that would last. Clearly, under those conditions the amp-hour rating is a big deal -- more Ah means scoot keeps running longer before it drops below the 10v the CDI needs, and even with engine NOT running the lights etc. would stay on longer with the beefier battery.

BUT, if I have the R/R connected to the battery and performing as it should, my understanding is that with the scooter running, the juice from the R/R supplies everything the scooter needs, AND enough extra to top off the battery the whole time you are running, so when you shut down, the battery should be in the 12-13v range, ready for your next ride.

Under that second scenario, it seems to me there would be no practical difference between a 7Ah battery and a 14Ah battery; both would suffice to get the scoot running, at which point the R/R would take over all electrical needs. (This of course ignores cold cranking amps, which is a different story.)

So, Ellpee's usual question: do I have it right, and if not, what's the true story?

[scot]

yes I would wonder what is the rr rated at in these I guesss I am actually going bye what the jap Honda make the reflex,it could be the 8ah will work just fine ,I guess will find out soon enough ,I guess if I found the rr is lower rated then the reflex then I would upgrade it,i ran mine today ,as cold as it got we seem to have got a break every week get above frezzing ,today 50 2 days ago = 20 unreal,but it does start an run much better at 50 then 28 ,that's nice to know ,started 2nd try today ,below 32 4 or 5 ,I guess like you ellpee having the back up battery under my seat ,will be good until I figure out how it runs ,an things like not forgeting to push the unlock key on remote twice ,i seen in one thread its best to shut off with the swithch then take out the key ,then nothing is pulling juice while just sitting ,my first ride is about 6 to 7 weeks away though in late fall I took few short rides around town I liked it ,10 miles

[ellpee]

Your description of starting in cold temps versus starting in warm(er) temps gets us, I ***THINK***, into that sidebar discussion about cold cranking amps. I ***THINK*** I understand that when you go out in the morning, turn the key and hit the starter switch, what happens depends quite a bit on the CCA rating of your battery. At that point, ALL the electrical demand is being satisfied by the battery, and the colder it is, the more CCA you want to produce a good strong spark. Of course, how easily your scoot does or doesn't start depends on a lot of things besides battery juice, but that's my understanding as far as the electrical part of the equation.

But then, what does Ellpee know?

[scot]

well actually I did not use the 11ah to start it yet I guess i was just refuring to it starting better on warmer day we all know that one thanks ellpee you helped me a lot ,an it may be that the 8ah will be fine ,I found anything not efi is cold blooded ,an even my dl 1000with efi took a few cranks to start on cold days in winter ,you probey remember starting you car at 35 below the funny noises it would make until warmed up belts sqeaking ,I am pretty sure I would not try starting the scooter that cold

[cat0020]

The OEM battery on my 2008 JMStar YY250t is still working well since my scoot was delievered to me in March 2008. I have my GPS, 12v cig. outlet wired directly to the battery, hook up a mini pump to the 12v outlet to inflate the tires once every few weeks.
In the winter months, I hook up the battery tender once a month.
Now the scoot at 12k mi. on odometer, battery is fine.
On my other 2 wheel vehicles, not so much luck.
My Chinese scooter has been the most reliable vehicle I have owned.

[scot]

that sounds like a good plan for my tender now that I have one in about a month I will keep the battery in the scooter ,yes thank that's good thing ,I had a car battery last 9 years one time,the last 2 year I just had to give slow 18 hour charge trickle an it last 2 times a year in spring then before winter ,kept it going