GY6 carburetor install By sugarscoot (Read 7,164 times)

[sugarscoot]

Hi Guys, We had a customer bring in a bike he bought, 2009 CF Moto 150, been sitting up, wouldn't crank. We cleaned the carb and all the fuel lines, filters, and such. When installed, it would crank, but not run without throttling up. Customer decided to purchase another carb rather than go to the expense of rebuilding his. We got the new one today, installed it, now the bike won't crank again! Should the carb already be set for the bike or should we do we adjust it? If so, where would I find the settings? Thanks!

[blueboy5000]

Can I ask why you are charging to repair scooters when you clearly are not scooter mechanics?

Carbs are pretty basic knowledge that you should have pretty much memorized and automatic before you go into business as a scooter mechanic. The fact that you do not know how to adjust or diagnose carburetors is proof that you should not be repairing customer bikes.

I, along with many other posters are rather versed in carb theory, and repair. It would behest you to research and learn basic carb theory.

Since you represent a business that claims to understand and repair scooters, when you clearly do not, I feel that aiding you in a for-profit repair procedure would be unethical.

[sugarscoot]

Blueboy5000, we went into this "business" because there is NO ONE IN OUR AREA that works on scooters! We are an automotive repair shop, owners of a scooter that we repair ourselves and are TRYING to help other owners who have NO WHERE ELSE TO TURN. I only asked this freaking question because it was supposed to be adjusted out of the box. Alleyoop and JRRyan BOTH know me from another unnamed forum, they know YOU ARE BEING AN ASSHOLE!! I do not profess to be an expert, that's why we are here asking for help. Jerks like you make it to where people don't want to ask, don't want to try to learn for themselves, you Sir are rude and obnoxious. Good day

[sugarscoot]

FYI After doing some more research on this site last night, I've come to the conclusion, thank you JRRyan and Alleyoop for the comments on other posts, that the valves may be the problem, not the carb. Since the carb is new and we're getting fuel, we'll check the valves today to make sure they're set right and try again.

[sugarscoot]

Well, adjusted the valves and she purrs like a kitten with her belly full of sweet milk!! Thanks JR and Alleyoop! Without this site, people like us would be SOL! When you can't get a reputable mechanic to stay in business and work on these things, it's up to us owner/riders to help them out!! And FYI, this guys total bill, $86 to replace the starter parts AND labor, then another $130 for the carb replacement and valve adjustment. Seeing as the carb was $76 with shipping, I don't think we "profited" too much off this repair. All we want is for people to enjoy their ride. PERIOD!! So Mr. blueboy5000, take a flying leap off the nearest pier and cool your jets. Get to know someone BEFORE you judge next time.

[madcollie]

Hey Sugarscoot. I for one think what you are doing for riders in your area is great. Finding a place to get real hands on help is very tough for these chino POS. Nobody wants to touch them. As far as the bill goes, you were very reasonable and I commend you for asking for help here when the carb didn't seem to be solving the problem rather than going on blindly and adding repair time to a bill that wasn't necessary.

I do remember you from the other forum and you never seemed to want to do anything more than share, help, and be a part of the family. GOOD FOR YOU! Don't let the comments of one reflect for all and please continue to help those in your area and here when you can. Stick around, we grow on ya. (Like a fungi)

M/C

[blueboy5000]

As a licensed Automotive Technician, what you are doing is unethical. It's not cool to charge to repair something you are not trained to repair.

Good job fixing it I guess. My problem is that you are not trained technicians. As I have been told many times, a technician should never misrepresent their areas of expertise.

Plus it's a bit different in my state. What you did repairing that scooter would be considered a crime here, one that could cost you your shop license.

As for your comment that I am rude : I'm not the one calling people asshole. That would be you.

As to repairing scooters when you are not a scooter technician : yeah it's cool to help. It's not cool to charge if you are not properly trained.

[blueboy5000]

So you charged 86 plus 130 for a combined total of 100 worth of parts? That's called making a profit. You did profit. Not much of a profit, but still profit none the less.

It's not cool to misrepresent your skill. It's not cool to make a profit from misrepresenting yourself.

It basically shits in the face to those of us who pay union dues and went to school to learn how to be technicians (not that anyone can go to tech schools for scooter repair).

I am a trained automotive technician. Sure I'll charge to fix your car. But I'm not a trained scooter mechanic, so it's unethical to represent myself as a trained scooter mechanic, so I can't charge to fix scooters. And neither should you.

[blueboy5000]

I understand that you wish to help. But you shouldn't be charging beyond expenses.

And also you charged this guy for a carb, and it was tight valves that was problem. So you pretty much replaced his carb when the carb wasn't the problem, which, is a punk move.

[JR]

Blueboy you obviously have no knowledge of the south or of where these people are from. First of all Louisiana is a "right to work state" no unions to speak of and if there is one they are only a group and also unions just like in my "right to work state" have very little say or power over the skills they represent. Most union people here are virtually forgotten here by the very union organizations that take their hard earned dues from these people.


981. Declaration of public policy

It is hereby declared to be the public policy of Louisiana that all persons shall have, and shall be protected in the exercise of the right, freely and without fear of penalty or reprisal, to form, join and assist labor organizations or to refrain from any such activities. (Enacted July 9, 1976; effective October 6, 1976.)

§ 982. Labor organization

The term "labor organization" means any organization of any kind, or agency or employee representation committee, which exists for the purpose, in whole or in part, of dealing with employers concerning wages, rates of pay, hours of work or other conditions of employment. (Enacted July 9, 1976; effective October 6, 1976.)

§ 983. Freedom of choice

No person shall be required, as a condition of employment, to become or remain a member of any labor organization, or to pay any dues, fees, assessments, or other charges of any kind to a labor organization. (Enacted July 9, 1976; effective October 6, 1976

ARKANSAS





Ark. Const. amend. 34





AMEND. 34. RIGHTS OF LABOR



§ 1. Discrimination for or against union labor prohibited.

No person shall be denied employment because of membership in or affiliation with or resignation from a labor union, or because of refusal to join or affiliate with a labor union; nor shall any corporation or individual or association of any kind enter into any contract, written or oral, to exclude from employment members of a labor union or persons who refuse to join a labor union, or because of resignation from a labor union; nor shall any person against his will be compelled to pay dues to any labor organization as a prerequisite to or condition of employment.

§ 2. Enforcement of amendment - Legislation authorized.

The General Assembly shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation. (Initiative approved November 7, 1944 at the General Election.)

It's no crime to work on things as long as you are set up with the state to do business and have a state tax and federal ID number. You can list as a automotive repair and work on a large variety of things that fall in this category and this is the rules of where we live. If you live in a place that has these rules and that's what you consider correct then OK no problem but to call these wrong and misrepresenting themselves shows your lack of knowledge of the area and these people.


Myself I am trained in lots of things from being a certified welder to a RETA certified ammonia tech, from a TV Cable tech to a electrician and I consider myself a pretty good scooter tech. Where also would you suggest people go to get trained and licensed to be a certified scooter tech on Chinese scooters?

Even though I have certificates of my training and accomplishments I've learned how to fix things over the last 50 years or so by hands on.

Also you didn't read very well the "customer" asked for the carb and just like in any situation where any mechanic works on a vehicle sometimes they diagnose problems on and educated guess especially when it comes to things like a scooter "sitting up". With any engine type vehicle "sitting up" would generally mean clean the carb and entire fuel system and unless you've lived under a rock all your life or never worked on any engine you would know this.


I am a trained automotive technician. Sure I'll charge to fix your car. But I'm not a trained scooter mechanic, so it's unethical to represent myself as a trained scooter mechanic, so I can't charge to fix scooters. And neither should you.


I don't believe they ever stated they were trained but are just trying to help people where there is no help. Did you ever consider that the customer came to them when there wasn't any place to go?

Have you ever been to Louisiana and seen how things like scooters are worked on? I have and have worked all over that state from Shreveport to New Orleans doing specialized fabrication and shut down construction for a lot of companies in the food preparation industry and I know of one reputable scooter dealership that does quality mechanic work and that's the Big Guy's shop in New Orleans which is about 4 hours away. There may be one in Shreveport, not sure but even then it's easily over 1 hour to there.

Even Big Guy's mechanic which BTW is hands on trained over many years of working on them has contacted me on electrical issues with scooters before.



You're making judgments on these people without even being there and knowing the situation and basing things upon what you do and where you live.

I'm sure these people are now glad to have a running scooter and IMO the price was reasonable, fair and honest and no matter where you live that's the bottom line.

JR

[sugarscoot]

Thank you guys. My point exactly JR. Thank you madcollie, this twit's got a lot to learn. ;

[sugarscoot]

Jul 8, 2012 6:10:27 GMT -6 blueboy5000 said:

I understand that you wish to help. But you shouldn't be charging beyond expenses.

And also you charged this guy for a carb, and it was tight valves that was problem. So you pretty much replaced his carb when the carb wasn't the problem, which, is a punk move.

And did you work for free before YOU became the certified mechanic that YOU are? We never, EVER claimed to "know it all" or be trained in any formal setting.

As for the charges, the carb either had to be rebuilt or replaced. the CUSTOMER wanted to replace it. And lets not forget the fact that we completely cleaned his ENTIRE fuel system, freed up a locked up motor, removed and installed a new electric starter, removed, cleaned, reinstalled, removed and replaced a carb. The parts were way more than $100 when you include shipping since we do not have a parts store here for these scooters either. Check yourself jerk. This is the last post on this subject to you. You are not worth my time nor is your negative energy wanted on my posts from now on. I would thank you to ignore all my posts that do not involve you and I will promise you that I will never think of you again. Good day sir.

[blueboy5000]

You know, hard as it is to believe there are different laws in different places.

I was unaware that's how things work in Louisiana. That's not how it works in my state.

If Sugarscoot never speaks to me, then no harm done. She's quick to throw personal insults around and swear at people, people who call others "twit" and "negative asshole" don't really have much grounds to call others negative, especially when I'm not.

I'm fine with her replacing carbs to fix tight valves, I mean changing unrelated parts to fix a problem is cool I suppose.

And no I never charged to fix someones car before I was a licensed technician, because in CT that is a crime.

Yes you learn by asking questions and by doing, no argument there.

But if this is how stuff goes in the south, I'm happy to be a Yankee.

[JR]

Since you represent a business that claims to understand and repair scooters, when you clearly do not, I feel that aiding you in a for-profit repair procedure would be unethical

Blueboy you seem to be caught up in your own world of deciding what is and what isn't right or wrong or ethical. You also by your own admission know anything about where they live and your statement above to people here in this area is insulting and yes Sugarscoot is pretty loud and straight forward when she replies to such things. I'll give you that.

I have lots of friends that you would call Yankees and I don't recall any of them having this "if you're not trained, licensed and belong to a union" then you're not qualified to work on this or tell any body how.

You're versed in carb theory and so are others but I don't know of anyone here you included that is licensed to work on a scooter and yet we offer all the help we can.

And no I never charged to fix someones car before I was a licensed technician, because in CT that is a crime.

So how do people get help on a scooter in CT? Where do they go for a license and are their journeyman scooter mechanics for apprentice helpers to train under? All the union people I know in the craft they work in must take tests, work under a journeyman for hands on skills and work their way up the ladder to be classified as a journeyman and even then there are different classes of journeyman if I remember right?

I'm a certified welder among many things, have passed every test known, can weld anything from pipe to specialized tig stainless and aluminum welding, have even done underwater welding and even help train kids at my local high school that are going to a welding school after graduation, yet I hold no license to teach them anything but I do offer over 40 years of knowing how to do it to them. I started learning how to weld when I was 13 years old and by the time I was 16 had a job at a local plant doing maintenance and part of my job was to weld. I took my first state certification test and passed it after I came back from my two year all expenses paid tour on Nam.

Now you say you are a trained licensed auto mechanic so I'll ask you can you or have you ever worked on a 1949 Ford Custom with a 3-speed on the column overdrive transmission with a flat head 8? If I brought it to you to diagnose a miss would you know what to look for or do? It has no computer hook up or anything to plug a modern day diagnostic machine into.

I own one of these special old cars, and I can assure you that if it's missing I can figure it out. yes I'm that old, I drove this car to school some when my dad owned it and was glad it got handed down to me to keep.

You keep throwing the buying a carb thing in her face yet you again forgot some of the facts:

Scooter sitting a long time
Cleaned old carb
Customer ASKED for new carb

I was taught "the customer is always right"


Now in the process of learning to be a licensed mechanic that you are now you can correct me if you want, do not union people learn by training with other journeyman mechanics? Did you ever make mistakes then and now when working on a vehicle? When you make a mistake who pays for the mistake, time labor and/or parts? Have you ever by your training diagnosed a problem and it be something else? If you haven't then you for sure don't belong in the category of "to error is human" and then you can say you have the right to judge others.

I think you'll find in life you get along a lot better with the attitude that in this country we're all under one roof and yet we live in different places, do things different and yet when the sun goes down we still are North, South, East and West.

It's some of the lessons in life I've learned over the course of being on this earth and there is no license for that.

[blueboy5000]

Okay point taken.

And if your 1949 had a misfire, first thing I'd do is spray a mist of water over the plug wires ( poor mans power balance). Then I'd check out the distributor, make sure there's no cracked cap, I'd make sure the point gap was correct, and if that didn't do it, I break out the timing light (provided it has timing marks) or attach a vacuum gage to the intake and time to vacuum pressure. If we still had a problem I'd hook up the oscillascope.

In CT the only people allowed to charge for motorcycle work is trained motorcycle technicians. Technically there isn't a way to legally work on scooters here. (Not for profit anyway)

There are 5 or 6 shops that will fix non-Chinese scooters, but zero in CT that will work on Chinese scooters.