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Post by 4950cycle on Sept 30, 2012 12:25:35 GMT -6
All I can say at this point is we will see. And I thought about the load test also knowing what you are saying Ally about motors doing different things under load. I do agree with that. And thanks for the open debate guys. And I also agree with JR when he says the intake valve doesn't need any adjustment ever. Its the coldest valve out of the two. Its when the exhaust valve expands/lengthens that its open ever so slieghtly (when there isn't adaquit clearance) and leaks a little causing the motor to stall at idle. The open debate won't kill us, I promise LoL
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Post by 4950cycle on Sept 30, 2012 10:09:15 GMT -6
I'm not going to get kicked off this forum by disrespect for others I hope. So, that being said, I'm sorry if you or anybody felt offended by my comments or opinions. BTW, I don't take "ANY" of my machinery to someone else to get fixed. Where did you get that ? Anyway, Correct me if I'm wrong. You can harm an engine by having your valves clearances to tight for instance burning an exhaust valve. Have them to loose will do nothing "BUT" possibley perform poorly ( believe me I won't put up with that) or stall or stammer because of inadiquate vaccume. Lets not be scared of what might be when it won't hurt a fly if we're wrong (Jeff and/or I). I will do plenty running/testing of the engine on center stand before puting her all back together. So if you fellas are correct in that this .008s idea just won't work and/or cause usatisfactory conditions, You and I will know soon after my gasket set gets here and I put the cover back on and muffler and batt just for motor test. If you have done what I am about to do and it just didn't work out for any reason (besides sounding like a mild sewing machine while cold) then Please, speak up.
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Post by 4950cycle on Sept 29, 2012 22:31:29 GMT -6
Its a scooter not an F-18 or a race bike where 1 horsepower is the difference between winning and losing. If it were going to make a bunch of noise as you say and or not run right Mudville scooters and small engine repair would have no repeat business. His scoots run fine. Hes done ten times the scooters JR has done. Not being a smart arse just fact. Don't mean to come off so harsh. Just the way it is. I'm sure JR is a fine guy, Heck , look at this website ! I'm not so small a man that I won't eat crow if I have to. If it runs bad or makes excessive noise and / or has poor performance I promise I will be honest and take back what I have said. PS almost all OHC engines call for .004 intake, .006 exhaust. Most I have messed with anyway. OHV engines tend to have more forgiving larger clearances.
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Post by 4950cycle on Sept 29, 2012 22:17:15 GMT -6
Got the new correct starter clutch today by US mail from Absolutelyscooters. I Installed it today also. Tried to put it on with starter clutch already bolted to the flywheel like I pulled it off if you remember. But you have to put the key in the keyway first and the starterclutch wouldn't get past the key even though it has a tapered shaft. So I removed the starter clutch from the flywheel. Put the starter clutch on the shaft first then put the key in the keyway. Lined the flywheel slot up with the key and tapped her on then put the three bolts in and tapped the allen wrench with a hammer to tighten them evenly. then put he washer on the shaft and impacted the nut on. Would have had some pics of this but girlfriend had the camera at a Rascal Flatts concert today/night . Still waiting on the gasket kit. So I havn't buttoned the motor up yet. With the cover still off I put the jump starter to the starter to test it. It turned the motor over and eveything worked just the way it should. Will pull the cover off (just sitting on there) tomorrow and take some pics with the new starter clutch installed.
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Post by 4950cycle on Sept 29, 2012 7:26:38 GMT -6
While I'm waiting for my parts to get here I went ahead and adjusted my valves to make the JCL quit stalling at stops. I hope it works . One thing I can say is the valves had almost 0 clearance when I checked them before I adjusted them. What in the heck were those Chinese thinking ? Anyway, I adjusted them both (intake & exhaust) at .008 instead of the factory recomendations per Jeff at Muddville scooters and small engine repair. I know, I know, Iknow, Sounds like an awful big gap" But I ain't going back in this scooter this deep to adjust valves again" He said those clearances will insure that I won't have to adjust them again and the scooter will run fine.
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Post by 4950cycle on Sept 26, 2012 11:09:08 GMT -6
Well, Like most Chinese dealings everything got botched up and it took them 3 or 4 days just to realize they didn't have a starter clutch in stock in the US. for the Linhia 250 (257cc). Said it would be about 25 days or so. So I canceled order and found one in stock at Absolutelyscooters. Cost me $20 more but I have to get this thing back together before I totally forget how everything goes. So, The parts total is up to $80 for the starter clutch,and $18 for a gasket kit I found for this motor. So $98 in parts to my door. The flywheel cover (covers starter clutch also) gasket didn't do well comeing off. So instead of having a leaky engine I thought it might be worth the $18 extra to get a professional result when I'm done.
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Post by 4950cycle on Sept 26, 2012 10:40:32 GMT -6
Beautiful work JR.. Highly useful. BTW, Anybody needing a starter clutch for a Linhai 250 (257cc) the link JR. was nice enough to provide is out of stock (maybe only temporarally). But if you need one now Absolutelyscooters has them for about a dollar more to your door.
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Post by 4950cycle on Sept 22, 2012 22:19:12 GMT -6
Here is the starter clutch with gear. I will put a pic of the flywheel in a vice while I remove the three allen bolts that secure this starter clutch to the flywheel. At this time I am waiting for a new starter clutch to reinstall to correct the problem. They say it will arrive via UPS or fedex by next thursday. Today being Sunday. Attachments:
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Post by 4950cycle on Sept 22, 2012 22:01:03 GMT -6
The nut that holds the flywheel on is about 24 mm. I didn't have a metric socket this big. But I did have a 15/16 socket that fit real nice and worked with the impact wrench (don't think I needed it). Pull the timing chain cover off (same cover you take off to time the valves for a valve adjustment) and keep the motor from turning over by sticking a screw driver in the cam chain and sprocket. Mark the three allen bolt holes with a perminant marker in the fly wheel. You will want to use the same three holes to bolt the flywheel back on after you put the new starter clutch on so it will still be balanced. This may not be totally neccessary. But I'm kind of anal about balance. Now take the three allen bolts out and pull the flywheel. Now slip the starter clutch off. It should slip right off after removing the flywheel and key from the keyway. I was advised by Jeff at Mudville Scooter and small engine repair to pull the flywheel with starter clutch still attached. But when I did it this way the key interfeared with the starter clutch comeing off after the flywheel. So I will change this proceedure by unbolting the flywheel from the starter clutch first before removal as already stated. Attachments:
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Post by 4950cycle on Sept 22, 2012 21:11:06 GMT -6
Heres a pic of a little more detail of the starter gear system. The starter is still bolted on with the red power cable going to it. Its engauging the gray gear at the upper,middle left. Then gray gear engauging the starter clutch gear (large metal gear). This is what turns the engine over when you hit the starter button ( if starter clutch engauges ) Mine is not working properly and not engauging the engine. Attachments:
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Post by 4950cycle on Sept 22, 2012 21:07:39 GMT -6
Here is pic of the Linhai 257cc with the side case popped off after all ten 8 mm bolts, exhaust and such removed. Exposing the Stater,flywheel, and starter clutch (bolted to back of flywheel) PS Stater is in the cover and you can't see them in this pic. Attachments:
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Post by 4950cycle on Sept 22, 2012 20:50:03 GMT -6
Heres the JCL MP 250 A stripped down with exhaust and hose and ten 8mm case bolts taken off. Ready to remove the side case. This is the Linhai 257cc Attachments:
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Post by 4950cycle on Sept 21, 2012 22:17:46 GMT -6
Sorry about the picture delay. This is what I get for not knowing how to do it myself I'm way to busy to learn anything lol Have to depend on the girlfriend and getting a bachelors degree at 50 aint easy. So shes been darn busy. Anyway, Nuff of the excuses. Finally bought a $60 to my door replacment starter clutch off Ebay. The guy had the right picture with the right word discriptions + meassurments. So Even though the other ebayers were clowns I figured it was worth a try with this guy. At least he (the seller) had enough sense to know giving meassurments was important. The other sellers with thier starter clutches could care less if you got the correct part from them. Knowing that I bet 60% or more of people won't be bothered with shipping it back when its incorrect. Pics tomorrow if I have anything to do with it.
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Post by 4950cycle on Sept 20, 2012 21:52:08 GMT -6
If I had a replacement gasket I would be a little happier. This things got to hold oil and not leak when I'm done. A little warning to scoot dawgs that will be doing this repair. Watch buying the starter clutch on Ebay. there are a couple sellers that sell starter clutches that have no idea what their selling. The starter clutch they are trying to peddle as a Linhai 250 starter clutch has 57 teeth when a JCL MP 250 A Linhai 257cc engine takes a 49 teeth starter clutch with a center hole thats about 24mm or Juuust under an inch. And they will blame it on you when it will not work what so ever for you. And yes I will post pics tomorrow Ally if I get a chance. Thanks for the help.
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Post by 4950cycle on Sept 20, 2012 21:39:25 GMT -6
When I go to modify the post the attachment is not there to remove bobf ?
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