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Post by jburd on Nov 30, 2012 11:34:04 GMT -6
I had to replace a water pump when I had the same situation. I burped it several times with no luck. I also jumped the fan and it was fine. One thing I noticed is that before the water pump was replaced it got hot really fast. Now that I have the water pump replaced it takes longer to get up to half way where the fan kicks on. Logic says that would be the case because the fluid is actually circulating. One way to confirm it (once you test the thermostat as JR recommended) is pull the outer cover off of the water pump (remove the 3 allan head bolts) and start the scooter. The impeller should be spinning. If it is not, it probably is your water pump.
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Post by jburd on Nov 28, 2012 15:20:04 GMT -6
I have a 250A and just had to change my water pump a couple days ago and burped it successfully. Not sure how different the 250A and 250B are. JR's instructions worked great for me. Mine really didn't burp at all while running it. The key to JR's instructions seems to be in making sure the engine is stone cold. Being just cool didn't work well. I tried topping it off with coolant and "burping" it after it had cooled down and it didn't work. On mine I literally waited until the next morning when it was stone cold. When I opened up the radiator I topped it off and replaced the radiator cap, it started right up and the fan kicked on. In my experience you can't rush the cooling down part. You have to make sure the entire engine is a stone cold not just the radiator. All of the air in that process should work its way to the top. JR has mentioned in other posts that the temperature switch won't work with even the slighted amount of air in there. I tend to agree.
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Post by jburd on Nov 28, 2012 14:57:41 GMT -6
So if some of you have seem my posts over the last couple months, you would know my JCL MP250a scooter has been out of commission for a little while. It's a long story that I won't tell here. Long story short I got everything back running and have had my scooter out on the road quite a bit the last several days. It's seems to be running great. I have noticed however that my idle is running at about 3000 rpm's. When I sit at a light I can feel a slight jerking forward like it wants to take off. It seems to me that before it broke down, the idle usually ran around 2000 rpm's but it's been awhile so I'm not certain. During the process of fixing it I did do a valve adjustment so I was wondering if that would possibly affect the idle speed. Does anyone have any idea about this and if the idle is too hight, is it easy to fix? Sorry if this is redundant and answered somewhere else. I couldn't find any post that answered this.
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Post by jburd on Nov 26, 2012 11:43:23 GMT -6
Update. Success!!!!!! I got the new water pump installed burped it twice and the fan kicked on automatically. It still seems there is a very slight knock in the engine. It doesn't seem to affect how the scooter runs at all and I can't seem to figure out what it is. It is very faint and I could be imagining it. I figured I would just run it and if it does cause a broblem, I would just fix it if it breaks. Either way I'm excited as I finally get to take the scooter back out on the road today!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by jburd on Nov 20, 2012 7:39:30 GMT -6
It took a little convincing but I finally got the water pump off and from what I can tell the shaft going through the engine seems to be fine. I actually started the scooter and ran it for about 20 seconds and the shaft was spinning. In looking at the water pump, what I think is the issue is the impeller seems to be spun off the shaft in the water pump. I can spin the shaft without moving the impeller and vice versa. I think all I need to do is get a new water pump and I'll be back in business.
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Post by jburd on Nov 20, 2012 6:59:56 GMT -6
Thanks guys. This is actually good news to me. At least I know what I need to fix now. I've been stabbing in the dark for awhile. Now I know what to go after and I can soon get my scooter back on the road. I will keep you posted.
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Post by jburd on Nov 19, 2012 12:11:31 GMT -6
Here's the background. I have had a lot of issues with my JCL MP250A scooter overheating and I have yet to solve it. I have "burped" it more times than I can count. The coolant level has not changed in the top which to me means I have the air out and am "burping" it correctly. However it stilll overheats. I jumped the wires coming out of the temperature sensor in the bottom of the radiator and found that the fan works fine. I then concluded it's got to be the thermostat or the water pump. I did happen to notice that if I had radiator cap off while it was running, none of the coolant seemed to flow at all even when the scooter was hot. My conclusion was maybe my problem was the water pump. I removed the cover from the water pump to reveal the little propeller inside which at first seemed difficult to turn. With the cover off and the scooter cold, I started the scooter and noticed that the propeller didn't turn at all. If I primed it and started it spinning by hand, it would continue to spin but if I stopped it, it would not start on it's own. First of all, is that normal and am I on the right track? Granted I didn't leave the scooter on very long as I didn't want to overheat it with no water in there. I'm assuming the water pump is my problem. Secondly, I removed the two 8 mm bolts that hold the back of the water on but I can't get the water pump to even budge. Is there some trick to actually getting the entire water pump off? Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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Post by jburd on Oct 23, 2012 8:39:51 GMT -6
I have a JCL MP250a Linhai scooter that I recently overheated. I posted another thread about that. In the process of overheating it looks like I have screwed up the crankshaft bearing and will have to install a new crankshaft. I would like to do it myself and thanks to JR found a link to the part. I have been doing a lot of research online and find a lot of different methods to replacing the crankshaft and the motors they do it on are just as varied. Has anyone had to do this on this scooter and are there any good resources I could check out to make sure I do this right? Tips anyone?
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Post by jburd on Oct 23, 2012 7:49:26 GMT -6
So I talked to a local mechanic and he said the knocking is more than likely a crank bearing that has gone bad and will require a new crank shaft. I won't know until I take the motor off. So I'm going to head in that direction and see what happens.
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Post by jburd on Oct 22, 2012 17:20:15 GMT -6
Alleyoop, the whole rocker arm moved in and out. I can tighten the stud down. When the spacer is in there, the rocker doesn't move. When I remove the spacer than it rocks in and out.
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Post by jburd on Oct 22, 2012 17:15:59 GMT -6
I've followed JR's instructions to a "t" and it appears to be fine as far as the fluid goes. When the engine is hot, the tubes on both sides of the radiator cap are cool so that's another reason I think I have water flow issues. As far as the knocking in the engine, I have a feeling after checking on youtube that it might be the crankshaft bearings that have gone bad from it overheating.
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Post by jburd on Oct 22, 2012 16:36:45 GMT -6
OK so it's been a little while but I finally got the time to work on it some more. I adjusted the valves and put it all back together. It starts right up like never before so I know the valve adjustment is good. I still cannot get the fan to kick on. I have "burped" it multiple times. I opened up the radiator cap with it stone cold and the fluid was all the way to the top so I know I have all the air out. I jumped the wires that connect to the temperature sending unit and the fan kicks on so it's not the fan. It could be the temperature sending unit. However I happened to notice that if I turn it on with the Radiator cap off, there is not fluid circulating but the temperature gauge is hot. Thought that could be either the thermostat or the water pump. Also the knocking in the engine seems to be in the back left under the air filter. That's where it is the loudest. Do any of you have any ideas? I'm really getting a sick feeling with this thing and fear that I've possibly toasted my scooter. If you guys could help me figure this thing out, I'd be the happiest man in the world.
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Post by jburd on Sept 16, 2012 22:01:03 GMT -6
JR - thanks for the clarification on the piece. It makes me breath a little easier. I just hadn't seen it before on oil changes. As far as the clearances on the exhaust, I set it on .005". When I have the spacer in place, there is no play. When I take it out, then the rocker moves up and down off the spring. It could definitely be possible that the crank is not in the correct position. At this point anything is possible. I will readjust it and see what happens. Now as far as the gear, I feel a little dumb and actually busted out laughing because the shaft that holds that gear in place is on the inside of the magneto cover with a snap ring on it. The reason it was moving free was because I took the cover off and didn't see that shaft. I think I'm going to re-do the valve adjustment and put it all back together and see what happens. I've checked everything I can think of and maybe the knock indeed is that exhaust valve. At least I've learned a lot in the process. Thanks for all the tips guys. I really appreciate it. I hope I'm able to give back to the forum for all you guys have helped me out so far. I will keep everyone posted on the progress.
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Post by jburd on Sept 16, 2012 19:02:24 GMT -6
OK guys, I think I might have found the knock. I took the outside cover off the magneto coil (where the oil stick is) to see if I could figure out what that piece was to. When I opened it up I found the small gear at the top above the magneto rotor just sitting in there loose. It was connected to the gears but wasn't fastened to anything. (see the attached pic) I turned the engine over by hand and I'm pretty sure that's what the knocking is. That gear was jumping all over the place. I tried that little piece I posted earlier that fell out the bottom in the center of that gear to see if maybe it went there. Doesn't fit. Anyways I thought I would at least post this and see what you guys think. I'm really hoping someone can help me here. I'm desperate to get this thing back on the road. Attachments:
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Post by jburd on Sept 16, 2012 15:38:11 GMT -6
Alright so I'm not feeling too good about this right now. Kind of have a knot in my stomach. (The only good thing so far is I'm learning a lot about my scooter.) I adjusted and tightened the valves and turned it on. It was running smoother but still had the knocking. When I was listening with my stethoscope for where the knocking was, it didn't seem to be coming from the valve train area. It seemed to be strongest from the back on the case that you check the oil in. I changed my oil today and had something come out of the bottom of the engine with the screen and spring. I've attached a couple of pictures of it. Does anyone have any idea what it is and could it be the reason for the knocking noise - like something really is broken up in the engine? Does anyone have any thoughts? Attachments:
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