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Post by apothecary on Nov 16, 2011 20:58:39 GMT -6
GOOD GOD! For the prices those rebuilds are, I can replace the whole carb!
I'm going to start small though. I'll pick up about 3' of the vac line and start replacing old rubber make sure it's not giving me the issue. Then I'll pull the air cutoff valve apart see if it's clogged, torn, or leaking.
I may buy a new carb and just swap the air cutoff (just to keep as much of it original Honda as I can).
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Post by apothecary on Nov 16, 2011 18:11:00 GMT -6
All right, just replaced the intake manifold gasket. Temporarily since I used a Mitsubishi truck gasket to do the job (the auto parts store didn't have the O Ring). Not the problem.
Looks like my issue lies with the little flying saucer looking bit at the back of the carb (engine side). Looking at the service manual, it's the air cutoff valve. I'll try replacing the lines to and from it as well as the o ring inside otherwise not sure where to source one of those suckers.
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Post by apothecary on Nov 16, 2011 15:41:00 GMT -6
Ok just making sure. I thought it was normal but hadn't ever actually used a finger to test like that so wasn't sure if it was or not.
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Post by apothecary on Nov 16, 2011 12:58:23 GMT -6
Slowly but surely I'm getting somewhere.
Something I noticed though, when I had the spark plug out, I turned the engine over to feel for compression. With my finger over the hole, it actually was sucking my finger into the cylinder. Is this normal? Now I think I did this before I adjusted the valves again, but I had adjusted them once and didn't think it should be doing that. Maybe I'm wrong... Wouldn't be a first. I've just never had a cylinder suck my finger in.
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Post by apothecary on Nov 16, 2011 11:48:30 GMT -6
JR, If you watch the first video I think I got a shot of the exhaust system in there somewhere. I have an aftermarket exhaust that uses only 1 gasket and that's the one from the head to the exhaust. I don't have the one that goes around the pipe that the muffler slides over. I have an entirely different style exhaust.
As for the intake, it seems that very well may be part of my issue and I'll be changing that gasket tomorrow.
I don't know if I have a weird carb or what. I did pull the needle out and there is NO adjusting it at all. It has an end cap that is not adjustable so I'm stuck with it as is until I get some small washers BUT with the possibility of it being the intake gasket, I think I'll worry about the needle after fixing that issue and trying it again.
Also mine is BEYOND being cold natured. Even letting it warm up for 3-4 minutes it STILL stutters and stumbles when you try to give it throttle. Give it gas slowly and it dies, crank the throttle wide open and it revs up and down until it's fully warmed up and running at temperature.
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Post by apothecary on Nov 16, 2011 11:43:13 GMT -6
Ok, this was after I redid the exhaust but before I checked my valve lash and found my spark plug was incredibly loose (I MAY have forgotten to tighten it when putting everything back together). I did the spraying the vac lines with ether as you'd suggested and I find that the engine picks up speed when I spray the little round piece closes to the engine on top of the carb. I'm not sure if it's the intake itself that's sucking it in or if it's the gasket on the intake, or the vacuum piece on top of the carb towards the back (close to the engine). I have a new intake manifold gasket. I may go ahead and pull the intake off and replace the gasket just to be sure it isn't the problem. I won't be able to today since it's about to rain but that's the current plan.
Also when I redid the valves and tightened the spark plug, it seemed to not pop as much coming down from full throttle but that may have been because it wasn't fully warmed up. Will give it some more testing tomorrow.
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Post by apothecary on Nov 16, 2011 9:46:09 GMT -6
Ok just went out to try the things mentioned. Carb is unable to be adjusted at all. It's got a fixed needle. I undid the exhaust and realigned it. Tightened the bolts as you said a little on each side 91/4 turn increments). Still loud as can be so it's the exhausts sound not a leak. I haven't warmed it up and seen if there's a difference riding yet (mostly due to having the front partially disassembled while waiting for parts).
I've taken a new video. I'll post the link as soon as I get it uploaded.
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Post by apothecary on Nov 15, 2011 23:20:37 GMT -6
All right. I'll give the exhaust another shot. Maybe I tightened one side too much when I installed it the first time. I have to adjust it a bit anyways for the muffler . I'll give those both a shot tomorrow don't want to wake people tonight testing it out at midnight. I'll take another video when I get it done to see what, if any, difference it makes.
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Post by apothecary on Nov 15, 2011 22:56:52 GMT -6
Take off the top cover, pull the needle, take the E clip and drop it down a notch right?
And do you still think the exhaust is leaking at the head? If so, I'll try tightening it down. I actually probably need to adjust it a little as well to line the muffler up a little better.
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Post by apothecary on Nov 15, 2011 22:51:50 GMT -6
Stock air box. There's a filter inside the airbox and I mean a regular style filter not the foam sheet the 50cc's use. But the filter is also stock.
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Post by apothecary on Nov 15, 2011 22:46:04 GMT -6
Carb is NOT rejetted and the rest of the scoot is stock. The ONLY performance thing on it is the muffler/exhaust. It IS loud but without it, it's actually MUCH louder.
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Post by apothecary on Nov 15, 2011 20:18:25 GMT -6
Ok I'll appologize right now if the sound is off from the video. I guess youtube doesn't handle MP4 well and that's what the Flip records in. Anyways, here's the link for the video giving the sounds that it's making and (hopefully) syncing what I'm doing to the sounds.
The temp gauge stayed low the whole time though. Never above 3 bars.
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Post by apothecary on Nov 15, 2011 0:17:05 GMT -6
Ok I'll give this a shot in the morning. I've been fighting a few issues with the scoot lately (intermittently working horn, odd issues with the blinkers) so I've been focusing on electrical all day today. I might even take the old Flip camera out and get a video once she's warmed up so you can hear what I'm hearing and give me a bit better of an idea.
I'm thinking it's a popping kind of like a gun but not quite that loud. It's definitely not a BRUP. When I give her gas, she bogs for a second nearly dying (if not warmed up it DOES die) then picks up and revs up fine. When I let off it pops as the engine comes down from the higher revs and then pops once in a while as I coast at speed.
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Post by apothecary on Nov 14, 2011 14:15:03 GMT -6
Ok so those following the previous thread, I've FINALLY managed to get her running. I've taken a quick few runs and noticed some things that worry me slightly.
First off, when she's cold, she doesn't want to rev up at all. Give her gas and she stalls out. Once warmed up she runs just fine and the entire time she idles great.
Second, when running (I only took her for a couple of miles nothing incredibly long yet since she's not inspected and missing a mirror) when I get up to speed and let off the throttle she starts popping from the exhaust. I'm assuming I'm running lean or rich (I can't remember which it is) so I'm assuming I need either a carb adjustment or I need a new air filter (maybe both?).
And finally, when at a dead stop I give it some throttle but the response leaves something to be desired. The engine picks up, slows for a second, then revs up normal.
I have a feeling all these symptoms are from the same issue I just need to figure out how to fix it. I've gone through the service manual and they're a little vague on some things and carb settings they tell you that it's set from the factory nothing more is needed.
So where am I going wrong? Is my timing off a tooth? Is it the carb? Valve lash wrong? Where did I goof?
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Post by apothecary on Oct 28, 2011 6:00:58 GMT -6
Here's a shot of the piston. You can see where the valve dinged the top but I'm thinking no major damage. Looks like everything else is fine so I'm not going to replace the piston or jug. At least I'm assuming there's no damage. It's got a nice nick in the piston head you can see towards the top but that's about it that I can tell.
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