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Post by jetjock79 on Nov 10, 2013 9:44:12 GMT -6
Thanks for all the help guys. I rearranged the plumbing on this thing with vacuum and all. I saw a picture of someone's carb on here, and it turns out mine was done right. She runs fine now though. She doesn't rev up almost at all when cold, the time the enricher should be working, but runs just fine and starts with remote start. The guy who worked on it has a dealership, but mostly does work on 150cc's.
I'm going to take her on a little run tomorrow to see if everything is ok. I'm really looking for some diagrams to see where where the vacuum lines go. Mostly;
-where does the fuel pump connect to (where it receives the vacuum from) - all vacuum tubes to the carb
There is also something I haven't seen before on these engines, and feel this may just be some sort of emissions thing.....buts it's bolted on to the case next to the rear wheel. Looks like some sort of valve or something that could be controlled via vacuum, but no idea. Can't seem to find it on any engine diagram either. Thanks all!
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Post by jetjock79 on Nov 7, 2013 19:25:53 GMT -6
I know she is getting enough fuel.....carb bowl always full. Not a pump issue
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Post by jetjock79 on Nov 7, 2013 19:23:30 GMT -6
I totally cleaned this carb. Sprayed carb cleaner like crazy through the pilot jet passage until I saw it spraying through those holes. Had to put my finger over the mixture screw hole (had the screw removed). I have to tell you....I truly believe this thing is cleaned...but how strange that I did have it running enough to make it to the third floor of the parking garage, and now...nothing! Fuel filter is crazy clean, everything is doing ok. Can't believe how this thing is acting up.
I must say that since the valve adjustment, it does seem to have a difficult time cranking over the first compression cycle on the cylinder. Even draws enough juice that the lights dim to almost off before cranking over fine.
A carb seems to be way expensive if it isn't the cause. $180 for a "possible" resolution is a little steep.
Thanks all for the advice....valve adjustment guy is going to call me tomorrow to discuss possible resolution.
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Post by jetjock79 on Nov 7, 2013 12:17:46 GMT -6
Roketa 250cc with 257cc motor. After getting her valves adjusted....she ran ok for about a day, but since I was moving....hadn't run her in about two weeks. Before the move.....I tried starting her up a few times, but it sure took a while to get her going. Then after the enrichner cut off.....anytime I gave it gas,....she would die. Thought this may be an issue with clogged jet, so I took out the carb and gave everything a thorough cleaning!! Put her back in this morning, and the same thing happened.....tough to get her started, and the minute the enrich near cuts off, she can't stay running. Tried the mixture screw,....and even tried to get her to idle high again, but no go. Could this just be a bad carb? Or a CDI issue? Starting from cold, she needs a little throttle and help to get started, then runs until the enrich near cuts off. Giving gas after that,....she just bogs down. Mixture screw is at 2 1/2 turns out. Had it to four, and then to 2...... Same thing. What is going on?
I called the guy who did the valves, he isn't a scam artist, and he said to buy a new carb. If she was running ok when I got her after the valve adjustment, what could have changed? Thanks all!!
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Post by jetjock79 on Oct 10, 2013 11:14:48 GMT -6
Forgot to add.......we checked the fuel pump.......she is pumping! He said that he never has issues with the pumps on these things,.....but it sure is worth a try to drain the bowl if she cuts out on me again.
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Post by jetjock79 on Oct 10, 2013 10:53:21 GMT -6
Ok,...so here is the update for someone who may read this later to get answers for their own situation: I agree that it could have been a valve issue. I was tired of dealing with the plastics and all, so I outsourced the work to a dealer out here. He fixed a small vacuum leak, and adjusted the valves. He said it was still cutting out after a long run at high rpm's due to not having vacuum to the accelerator pump. Also doesn't start without at least a few cranks of the starter (so can't use remote start). Suggested new carb. I told him to button it up and I'll just use her like that for now. Any thoughts on this?
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Post by jetjock79 on Oct 7, 2013 8:25:03 GMT -6
I was thinking about this last night for a bit, and thought I should throw this in there to bring greater detail as to what may be going on; she starts ok, idles fine, and accelerates to 65 easy. Even after she cuts out, and I get her started again, the idle is pretty solid. Maybe fuel pump?!
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Post by jetjock79 on Oct 6, 2013 19:07:40 GMT -6
Back to square one everyone!! Can't believe this.....I must be loosing my touch on diagnosing this stuff. Used to be on point when I worked at the shop.....but years down the line now......I'm stumped! She cut out on me three times today. The first time made me think fuel pump because it took me opening the throttle halfway while cranking to get her to start sputtering. Made me feel like fuel pump wasn't delivering enough fuel to the bowl. She quit while I was letting go of the throttle after a 60mph run for about a mile. As I gave her gas again, I could feel her sputtering, then just quit.
The second and third time just happened tonight, both as I came to a stop at a light. Still took cranking with some throttle open to get her to sputter (indicating that fuel is starting to get to the bowl). What's going on here? I know it sounds like valves, but the previous owner said he adjusted them (I know, I know.....why trust his word). I just think that if it were the valves, I wouldn't have to crank her a few times with the throttle open, just to start her. She eventually does start just fine, but why cutting out?
I'm now running sea foam in this tank. I do have a slight issue starting her full cold, where I have to repeat my open throttle routine, but tonight,...she started via remote....so go figure. Any ideas ya'll??
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Post by jetjock79 on Oct 4, 2013 5:26:59 GMT -6
Thanks. ....you can understand my concern with how delicately I wanted to treat that spring. I'm moving back into the city in two weeks.....and would hate to have the scooter as a paperweight, while I wait for a 5 cent spring to come in the mail. That's even if I could find it. Thanks for the encouragement though! I'm not going to up jet this thing or anything.....she is fine on her own now, so this just may be the last issue I have with fuel and air. Next is replacing the stereo with one that works, and adding HID lights. Keep a look out for my posts ya'll!! Thanks again!
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Post by jetjock79 on Oct 3, 2013 18:24:54 GMT -6
No need to result to name calling. You were the one touting how there are new students on here, of which I'm one. Let it go pal. I'm just here to get, and give friendly advice.
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Post by jetjock79 on Oct 3, 2013 13:39:12 GMT -6
So that solved it!!! Took the vent line off the charcoal canister, added a fuel filter in the correct flow pattern, and set off into the sunset. Did 40 miles today with her around 5-6k rpms.....and she ran strong the entire way!! What a relief!! So glad it was a simple fix! Thanks again!!!
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Post by jetjock79 on Oct 3, 2013 13:35:20 GMT -6
On a different note, I took my time....and stretched the spring. Was so worried about overdoing it, but the spring did seem pretty stout for what it was. Problem solved!!! Totally took away a lot of stress from this thing with a simple fix. Thanks to all again!!
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Post by jetjock79 on Oct 3, 2013 13:32:09 GMT -6
And YOU, the same ellpee. My gripe was with your delivery. Have some tactic when adressing someone in a social forum.
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Post by jetjock79 on Oct 3, 2013 11:40:37 GMT -6
Yup....spring and all. I'm just worried about stretching it and having something happen to it,...then not being able to find any other spring to replace it. I'll try my luck with a little stretch and see what happens. I'll update later and share what happens.
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Post by jetjock79 on Oct 3, 2013 9:26:01 GMT -6
Clearly, I didn't mean spark from the plug. It was a figurative way of explaining how she was able to start so much easier since the idle jet was plugged up a bit. I'm sure you know...
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