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Post by debbieb on Apr 2, 2014 6:31:09 GMT -6
Started fine and ran great. Brake light was staying on so brake switch and grips were replaced. Now electric start doesn't work. What can I check?
Gauges come when key turned. Lights and turn signals work. Just no response from electric start switch.
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Post by tvnacman on Apr 2, 2014 10:30:01 GMT -6
Does the brake light work ?
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Post by debbieb on Apr 2, 2014 18:29:40 GMT -6
Duh. This is a new scooter for us and we haven't driven it in a while. Didn't realize you need to hold the left brake in order to start. Thank goodness for the internet. Starts fine now that we know that.
NEW PROBLEM, though. Brake light stays on even though switch was replaced. If we hold right brake handle up (NOT out/disengaged, but literally up) the brake light goes out. So what is the problem?
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Post by tvnacman on Apr 2, 2014 18:51:03 GMT -6
Duh. This is a new scooter for us and we haven't driven it in a while. Didn't realize you need to hold the left brake in order to start. Thank goodness for the internet. Starts fine now that we know that.
NEW PROBLEM, though. Brake light stays on even though switch was replaced. If we hold right brake handle up (NOT out/disengaged, but literally up) the brake light goes out. So what is the problem?
You might want to humble yourself when asking for help . New scooter bad brake switch , so you replaced it (could your new one be defective) . The duh question , your electric start only gets power when the brake light gets power . the short answer might be a loose nut behind the wheel , welcome to the forum !!!!!!!!!!!!!! John |
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Post by alleyoop on Apr 2, 2014 19:16:05 GMT -6
The way it works is.
1. Turn the Key to ON
2. Flip the KILLSWITCH(if your scooter has one) to RUN.
3. Squeeze either of the Brake handles and hold, the Brake Lights should come on.
4. Push the Start button to start the motor
5. When the motor starts let go of the brake handle, the Brake Lights should go out and only the running lights should be on.
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Post by debbieb on Apr 2, 2014 21:14:18 GMT -6
tvnacman...
so sorry. you may have misunderstood. My "duh" comment was directed at us/ourselves, not for those offering help in this forum. I said "duh" because we (my husband and I) were so stupid not to know about needing to hold the brake lever to start it. We have no manual and no experience with these things. We bought it used and have driven it several times and never noticed that we must have been holding the brake lever all the other times. This one time we didn't. Had I not done some internet research, I might never have figured that one out. Funny... no question about the loose nut behind the wheel. My apologies if we offended anyone.
All that being said, I think it is the brake light that is staying on because the tail light is really bright and there is no difference in the intensity when we apply the brake, so we're thinking it is the brake light stuck and not the running lights.
Love this scooter, just don't want to be rear ended because the brake light is malfunctioning.
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Post by alleyoop on Apr 2, 2014 21:42:23 GMT -6
Here is a picture of the brake. Notice the GOLD piece that when you SQUEEZE the brake gets pushed in to turn on your brake lights. When you release the brake that GOLD PIECE should spring back out. Check your brake and see if it is STUCK in. If it is stuck in get some WD-40 and spray and push it in and free it up so it pops out. Alleyoop  |
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Post by tvnacman on Apr 3, 2014 4:02:04 GMT -6
Deb can you post a picture of the brake switch that you replaced depending the style one you have it could have been for the other side . your welcome to text a picture to me and I can post it for for you .
Now you say your brake light is lit all the time , do you have to hold the brake to start the engine ? what if you just hit the starter button .
Alley's posts above I agree with 100% don't dismiss them . He posted a picture of one style of brake switch .
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Post by debbieb on Apr 3, 2014 10:01:42 GMT -6
The left brake works correctly (new one). The right side is the problem. I can't see the button (lever's in the way), but it looks like a solid gold plate. I don't really see a button in the middle of the plate. I sprayed WD in there, no change. If the lever is pushed forward and the pin on the lever responsible for pushing in the gold button is NOT contacting the button at all, then the light goes out. But if you hold the lever at all and it contacts the gold button, even without pressing it in, the light comes on. Question... should the pin on the lever be able to be in contact with the gold button at all times and the brake light come on only when it's compressed? Should the pin on the lever be extended so there is no play in the lever and be able to remain in contact with the switch? Presuming my best bet is to change out the switch, can someone tell me the procedure? Right now, I've just taken off the front cowl, but how much needs to come apart to change the switch? Couldn't get good pics without taking more apart, but I attached the pics to this post. Can't figure out how to "add image" Attachments:
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Post by debbieb on Apr 3, 2014 10:46:24 GMT -6
PS. More pics. Where can I get the correct switch? I see ones on Ebay that are 2 prong plug in, but they don't seem to have the gold button like mine. Do I need to replace the whole unit (with the brake booster)? Can't tell if its one piece.   |
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Post by alleyoop on Apr 3, 2014 11:12:32 GMT -6
I see the PIN is stuck , you may need a whole new brake assembley, Or you can disconnect that one and until you get a new one when braking always make sure you squeeze BOTH BRAKES so the brake light comes on. And to start it you will need to use the other brake. Alleyoop  |
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Post by alleyoop on Apr 3, 2014 11:27:34 GMT -6
Maybe you take the HANDLE off and get and drill 1/16 hole in the center of the PIN not deep it may loosen up and pop out if not get a small pointed screw and screw it into the tiny hole and pull it out then grease it up and work it in and out and hope the spring in back is not shot to make it extend out.
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Post by tvnacman on Apr 3, 2014 17:32:28 GMT -6
Ok on the brake handle there it a stop/set screw with a jam nut . Loosen the jam nut turn the set screw clock wise 3 or 4 turns . Tighten the jam nut and see if that solved the problem . You can play around with the set screw to align with the button .
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Post by alleyoop on Apr 3, 2014 18:58:04 GMT -6
This is what TVNACMAN is saying: Alleyoop  |
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Post by debbieb on Apr 3, 2014 19:18:06 GMT -6
Thanks. I backed off the stop/set screw so that it does not contact the gold button. The handle is loose and may contact the button just during regular riding due to vibration (causing the brake light to come on). But at least I can control it somewhat. I like the idea of just disconnecting the right side and relying on the left brake for the brake light. I still don't think there is an inner button in the middle of the gold plate. I know it really looks that way in the pics of the right brake, but I've scratches around on that gold plate and it seems solid. I don't have a good pic of the left brake, but on that button, it's fairly evident there is no inner button. I searched around the internet for parts and cannot find a setup that looks like mine. But I did find a master cylinder that is as close as I've seen as it has a solid gold plate, no button. What do you think?  |
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